Rumor: Strickland: EDM has 7 and 8yr deals confirmed with Hyman

[joepeps]

Unless I'm mistaken...Toronto can trade his "RIGHTS" to Edmonton and then they can sign him to the 8 year contract?

They don't need Toronto to sign the papers...they can trade his rights and Edmonton can do it.

So...

Wrong only Toronto can because he was on their team at the trade deadline.

Even if the Leafs trade his right to Edmonton, they can only sign him for 7 years.

 

[Stealth1616]

Why do you keep talking about Oilers fans as if they're the ones signing Hyman to the contract/making trades on behalf of the Oilers? Most Oilers fans wouldn't have traded for Duncan Keith - but it happened, and I don't think Chicago should have changed their ask in that trade based on what Oilers fans preferred.

Why do Leaf fans assume Holland has this massive preference for an 8 year deal then. He negotiated 2 options and actually clearly prefers the 7 year deal at this point as well

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Why do Leaf fans assume Holland has this massive preference for an 8 year deal then. He negotiated 2 options and actually clearly prefers the 7 year deal at this point as well

You think Holland clearly prefers the 7 year deal over the 8 year deal - but is offering a 6th round pick to Dubas to get an 8 year deal? If that is the case then Holland might be the worst GM in the league.

Holland prefers the 8 year deal by virute of him offering anything at all. He might not prefer it enough to give more than a 6th rounder - thats perfectly reasonable. That doesn't mean Dubas has to take the 6th rounder if he thinks the cap savings/Oilers preference is not being adequately paid for.

 

[Stealth1616]

You think Holland clearly prefers the 7 year deal over the 8 year deal - but is offering a 6th round pick to Dubas to get an 8 year deal? If that is the case then Holland might be the worst GM in the league.

Holland prefers the 8 year deal by virute of him offering anything at all. He might not prefer it enough to give more than a 6th rounder - thats perfectly reasonable. That doesn't mean Dubas has to take the 6th rounder if he thinks the cap savings/Oilers preference is not being adequately paid for.

It’s not like he can take the 8 year deal for free which is obviously why he offered the pick. Still no evidence suggesting he significant preferred that deal. It was simply an additional avenue explored

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

It’s not like he can take the 8 year deal for free which is obviously why he offered the pick. Still no evidence suggesting he significant preferred that deal. It was simply an additional avenue explored

If he prefers a 7 year deal over the 8 year deal he can have the 7 year deal on Wednesday and he would never have offered a 6th round pick to Dubas for the 8 year deal. He would just sign the 7 year deal and not offer a thing... come on now.

I'm not saying Holland -greatly- prefers the 8 year deal to the 7 year deal - but he quite obviously does prefer an 8 year deal (even if its just slightly). Its not debatable...

 

[joepeps]

It’s not like he can take the 8 year deal for free which is obviously why he offered the pick. Still no evidence suggesting he significant preferred that deal. It was simply an additional avenue explored

I think you, and a few other Edmonton fans are the only people in the world who doesn't understand the situation or business. That is not what it means, It means there there is a certain value in which paying for an 8th year is better and logical as appose to a 7 year deal.

READ UP..

The scarcity principle is related to pricing theory. According to the scarcity principle, the price for a scarce good should rise until an equilibrium is reached between supply and demand. However, this would result in the restricted exclusion of the good only to those who can afford it. And if the resource that is scarce happens to be grain, for instance, individuals will not be able to attain their basic needs.
Understanding the Scarcity Principle

In economics, market equilibrium is achieved when supply equals demand. However, the markets are not always in equilibrium due to mismatched levels of supply and demand in the economy. This phenomenon is referred to as disequilibrium. When the supply of a good is greater than the demand for that good, a surplus ensues. This drives down the price of the good. Disequilibrium also occurs when demand for a commodity is higher than the supply of that commodity, leading to scarcity and, thus, higher prices for that product.

When a product is scarce, consumers are faced with conducting their own cost-benefit analysis; a product in high demand but low supply will likely be expensive. The consumer knows that the product is more likely to be expensive but, at the same time, is also aware of the satisfaction or benefit it offers. This means that a consumer should only purchase the product if they see a greater benefit from having the product than the cost associated with obtaining it.
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In this case, as a UFA on wed, ANYONE can sign Hyman and it would be for 7 years. There would be no value in paying for 7 years as the demand is low and supply is high.

Now currently, Toronto is the only one who can offer 8 Years... the supply is 1 and demand is high.

If Edmonton wants the commodity, they have to pay for it if not then either WAIT FOR WED or TRADE FOR HIS RIGHTS for a 6th rounder and sign him for 7 Years before Wed when everyone else can.

 

[Stealth1616]

I think you, and a few other Edmonton fans are the only people in the world who doesn't understand the situation or business. That is not what it means, It means there there is a certain value in which paying for an 8th year is better and logical as appose to a 7 year deal.

READ UP..

The scarcity principle is related to pricing theory. According to the scarcity principle, the price for a scarce good should rise until an equilibrium is reached between supply and demand. However, this would result in the restricted exclusion of the good only to those who can afford it. And if the resource that is scarce happens to be grain, for instance, individuals will not be able to attain their basic needs.
Understanding the Scarcity Principle

In economics, market equilibrium is achieved when supply equals demand. However, the markets are not always in equilibrium due to mismatched levels of supply and demand in the economy. This phenomenon is referred to as disequilibrium. When the supply of a good is greater than the demand for that good, a surplus ensues. This drives down the price of the good. Disequilibrium also occurs when demand for a commodity is higher than the supply of that commodity, leading to scarcity and, thus, higher prices for that product.

If you think a basic economic principle is a dead ringer for this situation you are so far out of touch.

You Leaf fans need to feel some overarching need to “explain” and justify this like it’s some complex situation when I clearly have just been wondering why a GM gave away a free asset. Which is something a large portion of Lead fans also seem to be wondering

 

[joepeps]

If you think a basic economic principle is a dead ringer for this situation you are so far out of touch.

You Leaf fans need to feel some overarching need to “explain” and justify this like it’s some complex situation when I clearly have just been wondering why a GM gave away a free asset. Which is something a large portion of Lead fans also seem to be wondering

This is basic Economics... Everything is in life and business.

Stop wondering and worry about your team. you seem more interesting in other teams than your own.

I haven't seen 1 Toronto fan say, No Edmonton you have to take Hyman and we want a pick. We must get it.

This isn't a free asset as you are saying... If you are so hell bent on giving up a free asset, give us a 6th rounder and take his rights and sign him for 7 years. If not, stop talking about it lol geeeze

 

[PromisedLand]

Imagine Holland orally agreeing to the 2nd rounder; dubas signs hyman for 5M x 8 years and holland decides...

yea... actually I change my mind I don't want Hyman

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Imagine Holland orally agreeing to the 2nd rounder; dubas signs hyman for 5M x 8 years and holland decides...

yea... actually I change my mind I don't want Hyman

Would be pretty funny in all honesty. I imagine he would be able to be moved elsewhere though since theres talk of similar offers from other teams to him - he just preferred EDM.

 

[inthe6ix]

He clearly did not negotiate shit. It was Dubas trying to turn it into a dumb negotiation when we already had another deal signed. If you think Dubas had any kind of negotiating power in that situation you are just out to lunch

And how do you think Kenny got a 8 year deal on the table with Zach? He can't offer him 8 years on his own, only with our help, he can.

 

[Stealth1616]

And how do you think Kenny got a 8 year deal on the table with Zach? He can't offer him 8 years on his own, only with our help, he can.

You don’t think he’s negotiated both a 7 year and 8 year deal after it’s been widely reported that’s what happened ?

 

[inthe6ix]

You don’t think he’s negotiated both a 7 year and 8 year deal after it’s been widely reported that’s what happened ?

You're not understanding anything anyone is telling you, so I will no longer bother - good luck with the 7 year deal.

 

[Stealth1616]

You're not understanding anything anyone is telling you, so I will no longer bother - good luck with the 7 year deal.

You Leaf fans continuously need to force these non existent justification of piss poor asset management and I find that hilarious. Dubas could start another world war and some of you would defend him to death.

Thanks we will enjoy the 7 year deal that Oiler fans prefer. You enjoy….. the nothing you got ?

 

[666]

You Leaf fans continuously need to force these non existent justification of piss poor asset management and I find that hilarious. Dubas could start another world war and some of you would defend him to death.

Thanks we will enjoy the 7 year deal that Oiler fans prefer. You enjoy….. the nothing you got ?

I personally feel that Dubas won't do the Edm deal because he wants a team in the East to burn on Hyman. Anyone who signs him for the talked about numbers is going to suffer for a very long time and Dubas should want that team to be in the East. If he goes to UFA there could be a bidding war which is even better for the Leafs.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think you, and a few other Edmonton fans are the only people in the world who doesn't understand the situation or business. That is not what it means, It means there there is a certain value in which paying for an 8th year is better and logical as appose to a 7 year deal.

READ UP..

The scarcity principle is related to pricing theory. According to the scarcity principle, the price for a scarce good should rise until an equilibrium is reached between supply and demand. However, this would result in the restricted exclusion of the good only to those who can afford it. And if the resource that is scarce happens to be grain, for instance, individuals will not be able to attain their basic needs.
Understanding the Scarcity Principle

In economics, market equilibrium is achieved when supply equals demand. However, the markets are not always in equilibrium due to mismatched levels of supply and demand in the economy. This phenomenon is referred to as disequilibrium. When the supply of a good is greater than the demand for that good, a surplus ensues. This drives down the price of the good. Disequilibrium also occurs when demand for a commodity is higher than the supply of that commodity, leading to scarcity and, thus, higher prices for that product.

When a product is scarce, consumers are faced with conducting their own cost-benefit analysis; a product in high demand but low supply will likely be expensive. The consumer knows that the product is more likely to be expensive but, at the same time, is also aware of the satisfaction or benefit it offers. This means that a consumer should only purchase the product if they see a greater benefit from having the product than the cost associated with obtaining it.
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In this case, as a UFA on wed, ANYONE can sign Hyman and it would be for 7 years. There would be no value in paying for 7 years as the demand is low and supply is high.

Now currently, Toronto is the only one who can offer 8 Years... the supply is 1 and demand is high.

If Edmonton wants the commodity, they have to pay for it if not then either WAIT FOR WED or TRADE FOR HIS RIGHTS for a 6th rounder and sign him for 7 Years before Wed when everyone else can.

Wow that’s a lot of words to say you don’t want a free asset.

 

[Stealth1616]

Wow that’s a lot of words to say you don’t want a free asset.

We need to be educated in the extremely high level and complex details of why a free asset doesn’t make sense for them, didn’t you know ?

And how dare you say how silly that is because they are the smartest people on the world with the smartest GM in sports history

 

[Qward]

Imagine Holland orally agreeing to the 2nd rounder; dubas signs hyman for 5M x 8 years and holland decides...

yea... actually I change my mind I don't want Hyman

As funny as it would be to us, no one would work with Holland again.

 

[TheBigM27]

He clearly did not negotiate shit. It was Dubas trying to turn it into a dumb negotiation when we already had another deal signed. If you think Dubas had any kind of negotiating power in that situation you are just out to lunch

If Holland wants a 8 year contract, then Toronto has to sign it and trade the player to Edmonton. It's pretty simple. Why is this so hard to understand? Holland had no reason to present Hyman with the 8 year option.

 

[Rob Brown]

We need to be educated in the extremely high level and complex details of why a free asset doesn’t make sense for them, didn’t you know ?

And how dare you say how silly that is because they are the smartest people on the world with the smartest GM in sports history

You have a pretty terrible understanding of Leafs fans if you think that all Leafs fans actually think that Dubas is the best GM. Quoting a few people that disagree with you doesn't make your terrible, made up comment true.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Because your GM turned that into a negotiation when he had absolutely no negotiation power ? It’s is common knowledge a 6th round pick was offered

Offered for free? I doubt that. Holland would have wanted somethingin return.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Exactly… I’ve always said the same thing in this thread. And then have Leaf fans gaslighting and making strawman arguments to make them feel better about poor management

What is worse is Edmonton fan's fake concern for Toronto's asset management.

 

[cyris]

Why do Leaf fans assume Holland has this massive preference for an 8 year deal then. He negotiated 2 options and actually clearly prefers the 7 year deal at this point as well

Cool. Then why are you and so many other Oilers fans in here trying to convince us we need that 6th round pick?

If you guys don’t want to pay more than that don’t. We aren’t interested in a 6th. At that price we would rather you have less cap space

 

[Leaf Fans]

Why do Leaf fans assume Holland has this massive preference for an 8 year deal then. He negotiated 2 options and actually clearly prefers the 7 year deal at this point as well

We don't have a massive preference or any preference between the deal. At this point Toronto has very little to do with the situation. It is up to Edmonton. Sign him at 7 or a sign and trade. Up to Holland.

 

[Rob Brown]

It’s not like he can take the 8 year deal for free which is obviously why he offered the pick. Still no evidence suggesting he significant preferred that deal. It was simply an additional avenue explored

The very nature of him offering Dubas something indicates that he prefers it, because otherwise he'd just negotiate a 7 year deal and be done with it.