Confirmed Trade: [STL/PHI] Kevin Hayes (50% retained) for 2024 6th round pick

[Xoggz22]

Whoa... quite a bit different than "Hayes retained at 50% gets a 1st". They really wanted him out I guess.

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

Real good for St. Louis. Hayes @$3.5 mill is amazing value. Too bad the Canucks are capped out as we desperately need a 3C like him.

 

[Dirty Dog]

HUUUUUGE

 

[eramosat]

We are not. At all.

I can see Hayes for a 6th. But the retention blows my mind. Like wait a few years and retain on a TDL deal for a 2nd prob. This is so dumb and seems to be Torts pushing the issue.

exactly. it's a very poor deal from Flyer's side, and it is rushed as well.

I would have felt better if another condition like the following was added. "Half of the Hayes' retained salary will also be deducted from Coach Tortorella's ongoing paycheck for the duration."

There is literally no other reason for dumping....dumping...a legitimate NHL forward, your own team's second highest scorer AND retaining half of his salary to boot. Which I think a lot of non-Flyer fans on here seems to think is also pretty out there, and they are right. It is out there. In cuckoo land.

 

[Larry44]

We needed a #3 C to round out the forward group. Where would you spend it? Tell me what you could get for 3.5 mil that would be better than Hayes. 85 pts in 129 games the last 2 years.

Nick Foligno just got 4 mil.

Don't be butthurt about this.

No one is butthurt. Enjoy Hayes, you are welcome to him. I hope you feel the same way about him next year. I’m happy he’s gone, now I don’t have to look at his dumb frat boy face anymore!

 

[Curufinwe]

Real good for St. Louis. Hayes @$3.5 mill is amazing value. Too bad the Canucks are capped out as we desperately need a 3C like him.

Hayes did also have a 12 team NTC.

 

[eramosat]

Surprisingly low return. I'm not a Hayes fan, but with 50% retention, I thought he would return some kind of meaningful asset, like a 2nd rounder or B prospect. They are only getting $3.6M in cap relief for 3 years -- but they will have to fill his slot with another player, so it's really much less cap relief than that. Danny must really hate him.

And also continue to pay Hayes as the (check's Capfriendly)...11th highest paid Flyer. 10th if you remove Ryan Ellis' LTIR salary. 8th if you remove 2x IR Couturier and Atkinson, who knows if and when they'll play, they each skipped an entire season with injury. 7th when DeAngelo is also given away. And so on, for each of Sanheim, Konecny and Hart, all named in trade rumours. Although Cal Petersen will continue to be paid more than Hayes' retained salary, even if he's demoted to the minors. So there's that...

As asset management, it seems pretty poor to me. Who cares if the coach doesn't think he's right for his squad...there are plenty of other NHL squads out there who can use such a player, so find them which is the point of good asset management.

And at 50% retained? Watch the fans of other teams chime in and say " I wish my team had been in on a 50% retained Hayes". Edit: Exactly 8 players who made $3.6 mil or less last season scored as many points as Hayes did...5 on RFA contracts and 3 veterans, Pavelski, Montour and Chandler Stephenson. That's scoring at an excellent value, period.

 

[Stlblues87]

Obviously biased as a Blues fan but yikes that’s a bad deal for the Flyers.

 

[SnS]

Hayes. Wasn’t. Going. To. Play. For. The. Flyers. Anymore. While. Torts. Is. In. Charge.

He. Had. To. Go.

 

[67Blues]

I think the Blues will be pleased with their 3C who can attain 45 or so points in a season for $3.5m. That is pretty good value

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

exactly. it's a very poor deal from Flyer's side, and it is rushed as well.

I would have felt better if another condition like the following was added. "Half of the Hayes' retained salary will also be deducted from Coach Tortorella's ongoing paycheck for the duration."

There is literally no other reason for dumping....dumping...a legitimate NHL forward, your own team's second highest scorer AND retaining half of his salary to boot. Which I think a lot of non-Flyer fans on here seems to think is also pretty out there, and they are right. It is out there. In cuckoo land.

Flyers are tanking next season, Hayes and the return are irrelevant....the retention will be off the books by the time the Flyers become a decent team.

 

[boredmale]

I don't get this from a Philly side. Sure 7M might be a wee bit to much for what he gives, but at 3.5M he is a steal. They basically paying 3.5M to free up 3.5M capspace so they can sign somebody who has worse value per the dollar then Hayes @ 3.5M

 

[islesfan186]

I haven’t really been following much of what’s been going on so far this off-season, so I may be out of the loop, but I’m confused.
They move Provorov, Hayes, rumors circulating they wanna move Hart…why did they hire Torts exactly (yes, I realize different management brought him in)? He’s not exactly a coach that is going to be a good tank commander.

 

[SnS]

I don't get this from a Philly side. Sure 7M might be a wee bit to much for what he gives, but at 3.5M he is a steal. They basically paying 3.5M to free up 3.5M capspace so they can sign somebody who has worse value per the dollar then Hayes @ 3.5M

Torts. Didn’t. Want. Him. Here. He. Didn’t. Agree. With. His. Lackadaisical.

He didn’t want him anywhere near the team going forward.

Torts is torts.

 

[SnS]

I haven’t really been following much of what’s been going on so far this off-season, so I may be out of the loop, but I’m confused.
They move Provorov, Hayes, rumors circulating they wanna move Hart…why did they hire Torts exactly (yes, I realize different management brought him in)? He’s not exactly a coach that is going to be a good tank commander.

Torts has the support of Briere and Jones. I’m not sure why. But he does.

But Hayes was lazy, and wasn’t the style of what they want.

He wasn’t wearing the O&B anymore.

 

[Flukeshot]

I'm confused to how Laughton at 3m for 3yrs is worth a 1st and 2nd, but Hayes at 3.5m for 3yrs is a 6th?

 

[Deadpool8812]

I'm confused to how Laughton at 3m for 3yrs is worth a 1st and 2nd, but Hayes at 3.5m for 3yrs is a 6th?

Don't understand the confusion. Hayes is a cap dump, Laughton isn't

 

[SnS]

I'm confused to how Laughton at 3m for 3yrs is worth a 1st and 2nd, but Hayes at 3.5m for 3yrs is a 6th?

Hayes brings nothing to the table.

He is lazy. Doesn’t backcheck. Holds onto the puck too long. Doesn’t use his linemates.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Just glad we got rid of that contract without having to add a sweetener nor take back a bad contract

 

[Snotbubbles]

Just looking at the sad state the Flyers are in, I don't see how Chuck Fletcher gets another GM job in the NHL. Nearly every move he made was terrible.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

This is one of the most puzzling deals I've seen in a while.

Hayes for a 6th as a cap dump I understand, but 50% retained? Why even trade him?

Has to be some behind the scenes stuff going on that the trade had to happen now, otherwise this makes no sense.

 

[SnS]

This is one of the most puzzling deals I've seen in a while.

Hayes for a 6th as a cap dump I understand, but 50% retained? Why even trade him?

Has to be some behind the scenes stuff going on that the trade had to happen now, otherwise this makes no sense.

They didn’t want his lackluster attitude around the club. They = Torts.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

They didn’t want his lackluster attitude around the club. They = Torts.

I get that, but surely they could've waited for a better trade after FA is done. Very slim pickings on centers who have played top 6 in recent years.

Especially as they were ready to retain.

 

[SnS]

I get that, but surely they could've waited for a better trade after FA is done. Very slim pickings on centers who have played top 6 in recent years.

Especially as they were ready to retain.

Briere is just fixing the problem.

I think once Krug blocked the trade to Philly, he just wanted Hayes (plus he has a 12 team NTC), he just circled back and took the 6th rounder to cut him loose.

He was never putting a flyers jersey on again.

 

[Mike Liut]

No one is butthurt. Enjoy Hayes, you are welcome to him. I hope you feel the same way about him next year. I’m happy he’s gone, now I don’t have to look at his dumb frat boy face anymore!

if he scores 20g and 50pts as 3C, I dont care what he looks like.