Gene Parmesan
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Why would his agent say anything? There is nothing in those posts that people don't already know.
He brought his name up as a guy that can be used to fill in on the top six with Burns going back to defense so it's a hint w/o actually saying it.
Why would his agent say anything? There is nothing in those posts that people don't already know.
From what i can gather from reading some of john thorntons tweets on this board. It seems as if he likes to hear himself speak (i don't know how to word/say it, when it is for something typed/written lol).
Is there a window between the old contract ending and the new one kicking in where Joe can be traded?
Is there a window between the old contract ending and the new one kicking in where Joe can be traded?
Only DW knows for sure.
(And Joe, his agent...)
He had a no trade on both contracts. So the only way would be, if he had a certain clause that opens up the no trade clause during a specific time frame.
I just don't see any major openings though in the clause. Only one i really see is thornton can give a number of teams every season he would be willing to be traded to. Which is basically just what a no trade clause is in the most basic sense lol.
Only DW knows for sure.
(And Joe, his agent...)
You've seen the contract or know for fact that Thornton has this type of clause - a list of teams he's willing to be traded to?
When Capgeek says a full NMC, I take that to mean no "outs" as you suggest exists
Every single no trade, no move clause has an out. If of course the player agrees to it. Which is what i said, not to many players will be happy playing on a team that nobody wants him around. So a player will most likely give a list of teams he would be willing to be traded to. And even then though, as iginla proved the player still has the final say of which team he wants to be traded to.
The only difference between a full no trade clause and a full no move clause. Is a no trade just stops trades and trades alone. The team can still send that player down to the ahl or buy them out.
A no move clause means that player cannot be traded or sent to the ahl or waived. But can still be bought out.
Any player can waive the no trade though. Just some have more conditions then others.
Not sure how viable a source Thornton's brother and agent is on twitter, but...
Every single no trade, no move clause has an out. If of course the player agrees to it. Which is what i said, not to many players will be happy playing on a team that nobody wants him around. So a player will most likely give a list of teams he would be willing to be traded to. And even then though, as iginla proved the player still has the final say of which team he wants to be traded to.
The only difference between a full no trade clause and a full no move clause. Is a no trade just stops trades and trades alone. The team can still send that player down to the ahl or buy them out.
A no move clause means that player cannot be traded or sent to the ahl or waived. But can still be bought out.
Any player can waive the no trade though. Just some have more conditions then others.
what did you expect his brother (agent) to say?
"he'll be shipped off shortly"
I'm afraid that the 'window' Wilson is alluding to is Stuart's. If we go into next season minus stuart, boyle and Havlat with Joe still as captain and no significant add's...
Well Jux, you are getting your tank.
Didn't Heatley have a NTC? And that was in the middle of a contract ... I just don't know how all this stuff works. I'm old.
I don't think you know what you're saying. What you're referring to is a limited NTC (or NMC) - where a player either provides a blacklist (X teams he won't agree to be traded to) or a whitelist (willing to be traded to X teams). With this list, the GM can make a trade to a team on the list (if white) or not on the list (if black) without subsequent approval from the player. That's how we traded Heatley - no one knew he had a limited NTC. Brad Stuart has a limited NTC.
However, that's not what's being reported for Joe or Patty. What's reported is they have full NMCs, meaning if DW wants to trade them, he has to get their approval for said team. There is no black or whitelist.
And of course, if a player waives his full NTC/NMC, all bets are off and a trade can happen. That's not what Thornton's brothers insinuating though.
No that is not how waiving happens. Heatley (coming to san jose demanded a trade), which in your theory says he waived his no trade clause. But then the sens completed a deal with edmonton, and heatley declined to waive. And next thing you know he accepted the trade to san jose.
You are right some contracts have a specific set out time period in which the player sets out a list of yes and no teams. That no matter what the teams on the yes team he can be traded to.
Thornton i don't believe has that, but with that being said i am sure if wilson came up to thornton and said we want to move on and you are no longer in the plans for the team, will you waive your no trade clause. Thornton will say yes, but only to these teams. And even with that said if wilson comes back to thornton and says we have a deal thornton can still decline to waive (d*** move though).
No matter what, unless specifically written out in the contract the player has full control over where he ends up. Even if said player demands to be traded. And even if said player says he agrees to be traded to a team before hand and decides he doesn't when the trade happens (iginla)
I'm afraid that the 'window' Wilson is alluding to is Stuart's. If we go into next season only minus stuart, boyle and Havlat with Joe still as captain and no significant add's...
Well Jux, you are getting your tank.
Question - DW keeps referring to the new CBA and alluding to flexibilities and windows. Since I know you're more familiar with the CBA than the rest of us, is there some standard clause in the new CBA that provides windows? (I.e., there is no such thing as a full NMC).
Maybe KDB knows if he is around.
A no move clause means that player cannot be traded or sent to the ahl or waived. But can still be bought out.
Nope. It's a case-by-case (aka contract-by-contract) negotiated thing between player and team.
Historically, the Sharks have often given NTCs (cannot be traded from organization without permission) or NMCs (cannot be traded or demoted without permission), with the caveat that based on post season (and/or regular season) team performance, there is a 2-4 week window in which the team can make a trade. Sometimes there might be a list of teams involved.
In Galiardi's case, he was a pending RFA, but the organization was classy enough to ask where he'd like to be traded. He said Calgary, and all the Sharks got back was a 5th. (While they might have been able to get more if he was traded elsewhere, they gave him the respect he was NOT required to have in asking his desired team to be moved to.)