GDT: Stanley Cup Final Game 1: Blackhawks @ Lightning | June 3, 2015 | 7:00 PM CDT | NBC

[Mike Yanagita*]

Also, why is hockey the only sport where coaches and some fans seem to think multi-million dollar athletes need to be benched to "send a message" or to motivate the team? If you did this in any other sport you would literally be run out of the league in one season.

Team's playing poorly? BENCH THE QB! That will really light a fire under them!

Lackluster performance in the playoffs? Bench the centerfielder! He's struggling at the plate but a game on the pine will show him!

 

[Hawkaholic]

So your saying that Bowman's blunders cant be swept under rug because Hawks advanced to SCF?

Especially the 4M blunder which could cost Hawks roster dearly in pending cap purge. A cap purge that his NTC + Horrendous contract makes him almost a lock as unmovable at this point

Yes, every mistake made since 2013 by this org. will be swept under the rug if they win the Cup. No question about it.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Well Rundblad already is responsible for a major defeat in these playoffs (Game 1 vs Ducks)

There is no defense to him being on NHL roster and blocking someone with actual future who could play

Johns or Pokka should have finished out year with Hawks to gain NHL experience and gear up for playoffs

Rundblad should have been waived alongside his BFF

You are incapable of finding a middle ground. Rundblad was really bad in Game 1 against the Ducks, and I was pissed off about it, but to act like he was solely responsible for that loss is insane and makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about. There was also no one else to play with Rosy out and TVR/Johns hurt. They would never have played Pokka.

And who's to say Cumiskey wouldn't have been up to finish out the regular season if Rundblad isn't a Hawk? We don't know. Or maybe they would have signed someone else for Rundblad's spot before the season started. You can't claim he was blocking a rookie's spot, especially since he wasn't blocking TVR earlier in the year. They must not have felt Johns and Pokka were ready.

 

[Mike Yanagita*]

So your saying that Bowman's blunders cant be swept under rug because Hawks advanced to SCF?

Especially the 4M blunder which could cost Hawks roster dearly in pending cap purge. A cap purge that his NTC + Horrendous contract makes him almost a lock as unmovable at this point

why are you changing the subject? We are talking about Q right now.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Also, why is hockey the only sport where coaches and some fans seem to think multi-million dollar athletes need to be benched to "send a message" or to motivate the team? If you did this in any other sport you would literally be run out of the league in one season.

Team's playing poorly? BENCH THE QB! That will really light a fire under them!

Lackluster performance in the playoffs? Bench the centerfielder! He' struggling at the plate but a game on the pine will show him!

I would say because it's far more of a team game than almost every other sport out there.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I dont understand the issue with the vermette trade??? he fills a big hole in our lineup. I would rather go into this playoffs with a team trying to win the cup then get pick #30 next year.

you would have bickell and versteeg (maybe nordstrom) playing every damn game and shaw playing center instead of wing....you cant tell me the hawks arnt way better with him in the lineup

They overpaid for a 3rd line C who has struggled most of his time with Hawks.

Also he gave away multiple 2nd rounders for Timonnen as well as a 2nd rounder previously for Rundblad

For price of 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 2nd + Dahlbeck the Hawks should have more to show then a average 3rd liner and 2 non NHL talents

Its an overall pattern with Stan since 2013 cup of just bad move after bad move with an occasional lucky move (Richards taking discount in pursuit of cup was hardly an accomplishment from Bowman)

 

[Mike Yanagita*]

I would say because it's far more of a team game than almost every other sport out there.

Bench the goalie! That will motivate the team!

 

[Hawkaholic]

They overpaid for a 3rd line C who has struggled most of his time with Hawks.

Also he gave away multiple 2nd rounders for Timonnen as well as a 2nd rounder previously for Rundblad

For price of 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 2nd + Dahlbeck the Hawks should have more to show then a average 3rd liner and 2 non NHL talents

Its an overall pattern with Stan since 2013 cup of just bad move after bad move with an occasional lucky move (Richards taking discount in pursuit of cup was hardly an accomplishment from Bowman)

They didn't overpay, because that's what it cost to get him.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Also, why is hockey the only sport where coaches and some fans seem to think multi-million dollar athletes need to be benched to "send a message" or to motivate the team? If you did this in any other sport you would literally be run out of the league in one season.

Team's playing poorly? BENCH THE QB! That will really light a fire under them!

Lackluster performance in the playoffs? Bench the centerfielder! He's struggling at the plate but a game on the pine will show him!

When a player admits he doesn't try and give an honest effort like Bickell

What exactly do you believe a team should do? Give him 1st line LW spot and a pat on back with some milk and cookies between periods?

#29 is a disgrace to organization,, No different then a certain Russian that Foley famously ripped

 

[Hawkaholic]

Bench the goalie! That will motivate the team!

Sometimes it does. See Nashville Game 1.

 

[Kurtosis]

They overpaid for a 3rd line C who has struggled most of his time with Hawks.

Also he gave away multiple 2nd rounders for Timonnen as well as a 2nd rounder previously for Rundblad

For price of 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 2nd + Dahlbeck the Hawks should have more to show then a average 3rd liner and 2 non NHL talents

Its an overall pattern with Stan since 2013 cup of just bad move after bad move with an occasional lucky move (Richards taking discount in pursuit of cup was hardly an accomplishment from Bowman)

So every bad move he makes is his fault, but every good one he makes he lucked into.

What a ****ing joke.

 

[Hawkaholic]

So BWC, should Stan have stayed pat, and not made any moves, and should he have been a seller at the deadline like you wanted him to be?

Now that would be a bad GM.

 

[Mike Yanagita*]

When a player admits he doesn't try and give an honest effort like Bickell

What exactly do you believe a team should do? Give him 1st line LW spot and a pat on back

DO you have a reading comprehension problem? I never mentioned Bickell. Benching a player for poor play is not what I'm talking about, especially when there are better or even similar options in the pressbox. Vermette and Teuvo were playing just fine, certainly better than Versteeg and Nordstrom had to offer.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

So BWC, should Stan have stayed pat, and not made any moves, and should he have been a seller at the deadline like you wanted him to be?

Now that would be a bad GM.

It would be an awful GM that deserves to be fired for being an idiot.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Should have stayed pat or acquired actual talent to help team

Look at cost of Petry and cost of Timonen? Which was correct move to make?

Look at cost of Sekera and cost of Vermette? Which was correct move to make

Could have acquired a run of the mill 3rd liner at far less then he gave up while adding an impact defender with assets he squandered

 

[Mike Yanagita*]

Sometimes it does. See Nashville Game 1.

Lebron had a bad first half? BENCH HIM! Think how motivated the team will be!

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

DO you have a reading comprehension problem? I never mentioned Bickell. Benching a player for poor play is not what I'm talking about, especially when there are better or even similar options in the pressbox. Vermette and Teuvo were playing just fine, certainly better than Versteeg and Nordstrom had to offer.

They were not playing fine

They were a blackhole offensively

Vermette especially up until that point had what ,, A single goal in 12 playoff games?

Sorry but that is not "Playing fine"

 

[Hawkaholic]

Rather have Vermette than any other player that was traded.

Timonen deal deserves some criticism, sure, but stop with the Vermette critiquing. It's old.
He has more than helped the team.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Should have stayed pat or acquired actual talent to help team

Look at cost of Petry and cost of Timonen? Which was correct move to make?

Look at cost of Sekera and cost of Vermette? Which was correct move to make

Could have acquired a run of the mill 3rd liner at far less then he gave up while adding an impact defender with assets he squandered

No you wanted them to be sellers and thought the season was basically over. Don't lie about it.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Lebron had a bad first half? BENCH HIM! Think how motivated the team will be!

So your saying Hawks benching Crawford did not change things vs Preds?

Because it seems your belief is that players should never be held accountable for poor play

Vermette + Crawford both deserved benching they got in these playoffs. Both brought forth performance that failed to meet standard expected of them

Both have since played better

 

[Mike Yanagita*]

They were not playing fine

They were a blackhole offensively

Vermette especially up until that point had what ,, A single goal in 12 playoff games?

Sorry but that is not "Playing fine"

Hockey is more than just points. It's possible to play well and not end up on the scoresheet, sometimes for several games. That's the random nature of sports, especially a sport like hockey.

 

[Mike Yanagita*]

So your saying Hawks benching Crawford did not change things vs Preds?

Because it seems your belief is that players should never be held accountable for poor play

Vermette + Crawford both deserved benching they got in these playoffs. Both brought forth performance that failed to meet standard expected of them

Both have since played better

again, reading comprehension. Go back to high school 14 year old.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Hockey is more than just points. It's possible to play well and not end up on the scoresheet, sometimes for several games. That's the random nature of sports, especially a sport like hockey.

He's not capable of understanding that, and seeing how well Vermette balances out the rest of the lineup. Well worth the 30th pick.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Vermette did not have good playoff until about midway point of Ducks series when he finally got message

His performance as Hawk to date overall has been underwhelming and thankfully we only have a small # of games before he is gone

Its a learned lesson for Stan not to overpay for average talent playing top line role on lousy team

 

[Gurth]

We can never have anything nice.


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