News Article: Stamkos favours tweet linking him to the leafs

[Northern Dancer]

Players have used Toronto as leverage for a long time. Doesn't mean they will come here.

Do you really think Stamkos or Suban needs leverage?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

So we keep away from giving up salary in trades. We keep away from giving big UFA contracts to mediocre players. That's the issues here, really. Nothing else has anything to do with stopping us from going after Stamkos and Subban, if they against all predictions actually get to UFA.

We've past that point, we have 9 long term contracts on file right now, Kadri and Bernier are up next. Wonder how this team evaluates these 2 players, are we seriously going to lock up 11 players of this team long term that has been part of 3 collapses in 4 years? One that has only made the playoffs once in a shortened season? Doesn't look promising moving fwd, if the Cup is the goal.

 

[Nithoniniel]

We've past that point, we have 9 long term contracts on file right now, Kadri and Bernier are up next. Wonder how this team evaluates these 2 players, are we seriously going to lock up 11 players of this team long term that has been part of 3 collapses in 4 years? One that has only made the playoffs once in a shortened season? Doesn't look promising moving fwd, if the Cup is the goal.

I don't see that as an issue.

So they are locked up long-term. In many cases, that makes them easier to move. If we don't like the makeup of the team? We move them. If we had them short-term and didn't like them, we'd move them.

Nothing in that regard changes because we have them long-term rather than short term. A player playing to the value of the contract gets you more on the market if tied up long-term. A player not playing to the value of the contract gets you less on the market if tied up long-term. We play with a bit more risk instead of going the safe road, a safe road that often in NHL management leads to mediocrity. That's the only thing this is about.

That's taking a small risk to add to value, strengthen assets and that in itself is an integral part of team management.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I don't see that as an issue.

So they are locked up long-term. In many cases, that makes them easier to move. If we don't like the makeup of the team? We move them. If we had them short-term and didn't like them, we'd move them.

Nothing in that regard changes because we have them long-term rather than short term. A player playing to the value of the contract gets you more on the market if tied up long-term. A player not playing to the value of the contract gets you less on the market if tied up long-term. We play with a bit more risk instead of going the safe road, a safe road that often in NHL management leads to mediocrity. That's the only thing this is about.

That's taking a small risk to add to value, strengthen assets and that in itself is an integral part of team management.

You keep saying these contracts are easy to move, we moved Gunnar a great asset this summer for a lesser defenceman, and not only gave up a pick, but we took back salary. If we couldn't move him easily, I wonder what the state of our other players are? Gunnar was signed to a decent contract compared to the ones we are discussing.

 

[Nithoniniel]

You keep saying these contracts are easy to move, we moved Gunnar a great asset this summer for a lesser defenceman, and not only gave up a pick, but we took back salary. If we couldn't move him easily, I wonder what the state of our other players are? Gunnar was signed to a decent contract compared to the ones we are discussing.

The Gunnarsson trade was obviously not made to free up cap space, it was done to get the asset we wanted back. In the scenario we have discussed previously, it's about moving out players while getting salary room. If that had been our goal with Gunnarsson, the trade would have been different.

It was very movable since we did move it.

 

[Deebo]

They are getting max money.

No they aren't.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

No they aren't.

And why not?

You don't think they are comparable to Kane and Toews?

 

[Deebo]

And why not?

You don't think they are comparable to Kane and Toews?

Kane and Toews don't make max money.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

The Gunnarsson trade was obviously not made to free up cap space, it was done to get the asset we wanted back. In the scenario we have discussed previously, it's about moving out players while getting salary room. If that had been our goal with Gunnarsson, the trade would have been different.

It was very movable since we did move it.

Gunnarson was movable because he had a good number and he is a serviceable player. And even then, we had to take back a portion of his salary.

I don't think some of the others would be as attractive given their cap hit to productivity ratio.

Gleason had to be bought out, the trend is teams are reluctant adding salary these days, with the exception of us.

Contracts are hard to move in a cap environment is the only reason. We will have to disagree on this one.

 

[Pinto]

And why not?

You don't think they are comparable to Kane and Toews?

Stamkos maybe, not a chance for Subban.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Kane and Toews don't make max money.

How would you term 10.5 X 2?

 

[Deebo]

How would you term 10.5 X 2?

Not maximum, maximum at this point is 13.8 and it will climb as the cap does.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Stamkos maybe, not a chance for Subban.

Stamkos maybe? He is. Subban is a defenceman is thus is different, but he is one of the elite D men in the NHL in his age group. Doughty is perhaps only better. That makes him a valuable commodity.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Not maximum, maximum at this point is 13.8 and it will climb as the cap does.

Top Salaries starting the 15-16 season as per cap geek:

SALARIES
Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Weber, Shea » D NSH 28 2012 2026 14 $14,000,000
2. Toews, Jonathan F CHI 26 2015 2023 8 $13,800,000
3. Kane, Patrick » F CHI 25 2015 2023 8 $13,800,000

 

[Duke Silver]

Top Salaries starting the 15-16 season as per cap geek:

SALARIES
Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Weber, Shea » D NSH 28 2012 2026 14 $14,000,000
2. Toews, Jonathan F CHI 26 2015 2023 8 $13,800,000
3. Kane, Patrick » F CHI 25 2015 2023 8 $13,800,000

The only two groups who should care about actual salary are:

1) The player
2) The owner

 

[Deebo]

Top Salaries beginning for the 15-16 as per cap geek:

SALARIES
Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Weber, Shea » D NSH 28 2012 2026 14 $14,000,000
2. Toews, Jonathan F CHI 26 2015 2023 8 $13,800,000
3. Kane, Patrick » F CHI 25 2015 2023 8 $13,800,000

Those aren't max deals, a max deal would 13.8M x 8 and higher by the time Stamkos and Subban are available (which might not even happen), not a 10.5 AAV.

t's okay to admit you are wrong once in while.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Those aren't max deals, a max deal would 13.8M x 8 and higher by the time Stamkos and Subban are available (which might not even happen), not a 10.5 AAV.

t's okay to admit you are wrong once in while.

I am well aware what a max deal is, if you want to parse it, we are talking about max deals that are close to the best paid players in the NHL. I don't think there has been a max deal or close to it if you want to parse the words since Ovie signed.

 

[Swarez]

Do you really think Stamkos or Suban needs leverage?

Clearly PK does after this summer, Habs don't think that highly of em apparently.

But what players use Toronto as leverage? The media keeps saying all the Ontario boys wanna come home, but I can't remember hearing from a good NHL FA.

 

[Jacques Trap*]

This team is gonna be so good when they lock up Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene and Subban.





And Mcdavid

 

[Maple Leaf]

This team is gonna be so good when they lock up Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene and Subban.

And Mcdavid

Don't know about Duchene and McDavid, but Stamkos and Subban are pretty much locks

 

[Stephen]

Don Meehan is a GTA area power broker and he's been at the helm of two of the bigger free agents from the GTA coming back in Curtis Joseph and David Clarkson, as well as Zach Parise's return to Minnesota. He's also the agent for Kessel, Phaneuf and Bozak, so he's a great figure to be steering his clients towards unrestricted free agency and back to Toronto if the situation presents itself.

 

[realgoodleafs]

Do you really think Stamkos or Suban needs leverage?

Well one just went to arbitration so...

 

[Pinto]

Stamkos maybe? He is. Subban is a defenceman is thus is different, but he is one of the elite D men in the NHL in his age group. Doughty is perhaps only better. That makes him a valuable commodity.

Considering no one has ever got a max contract, you can't say for certain Stamkos will. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to offering it for him.

Stamkos is a top 5 player in the world IMO, it's very arguable Subban isn't even a top 5 defenseman in the league. He's not going to touch a max deal and if that's what it took to bring him here I'd gladly pass.

 

[Confucius]

The only two groups who should care about actual salary are:

1) The player
2) The owner

In an uncapped era, I'd agree, however since your team has only x amount of dollars to spend you should be very concerned how much is being spent on each individual player.

Weber's contract is way better than tbe other two and not just because he.makes a million more. Weber gets paid almost all of it upfront at the beginning of each season as a signing bonus. So he never would lose money on a strike lockout or work stoppage of any kind.

 

[King85Kong]

Are some really suggesting that we should ignore locking up our skilled young players for the slim chance we might get Stamkos or Subban? Terrible way to run a franchise.
Here are the Leaf players that are signed past 2015-16 season;

Roster size 9
Cap payroll $49 million
Bonuses $0
Cap space $23.7 million

Kessel $8 million 6 years remaining - can trade
Lupul $5.25 million 2 years remaining - Probably have to take salary back or retain money
Clarkson $5.25 million - 4 years remaining - Can we trick a GM in taking him
JVR $$4.25 - 2 years remaining - easily traded
Bozak $4.2 million - 2 years remaining - can trade
Komarov $2.95 million - 2 years remaining - can trade
Phaneuf $7 million - 6 years remaining - can trade, might have to take some money back
Gardiner $4.05 million - 3 years remaining - easily traded
Robidas $3 million - 1 year remaining - hard to say, haven't seen enough of him to judge. But sure we could trade at deadline. Not a huge deal with only 01 year reamining at that point.

Buyout
Gleason $1.83 million

So the only tough trades are Clarkson, Lupul and possibly Phaneuf. We could probably package Lupul off at that time in a trade deadline deal. People are making it out to be way worse then it is. It pays to lock up your young talent. When better options come along, you can trade them off.

Source: http://www.capgeek.com/mapleleafs/