cska78
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Bill has his own vision, or could be issues on personal level, who knows. He's not all that good on D, but then if you have Niktin there, who's a total pylon....
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Bill has his own vision, or could be issues on personal level, who knows. He's not all that good on D, but then if you have Niktin there, who's a total pylon....
Caser
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I've heard that Nikitin progressed a lot in his defensive play during last season, so maybe it is too early to write him off.
cska78
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Overall, Coach Bill faces the same dilemma that plagued Bykov in 2010, which is how to build a winning team around an offense that is as potent as any team in the Olympics, but with a defense and goaltending that lacks the talent and ability to match up against the forwards that they will be facing. Voynov and Nikulin (and of course Emelin, if he's capable of playing) have proven that they can play at the top level, but every other pick on defense has major downsides to compensate for. Nabokov totally laid an egg against Canada in Vancouver, but Bryzgalov and Varlamov proved in the WC this year that it could happen again.
There are some signs that goaltending may be getting better, but defense is a part of the game that has never been properly attended to by the RHF. This is the problem that faces Coach Bill in Sochi. He can still win, but it would have to take strategies and tactics that compensate for weakness on the blueline.
There are some signs that goaltending may be getting better, but defense is a part of the game that has never been properly attended to by the RHF. This is the problem that faces Coach Bill in Sochi. He can still win, but it would have to take strategies and tactics that compensate for weakness on the blueline.
That is a b***. Bill is already p***ing me off. It would be nice to have a GM/coach completely impartial. There really should be a board of 3 or 4 guys selecting the team to help remove bias. Mozyakin was one of the most accomplished Russian born hockey players last year, Eremenko is 10 x better than Kosechkin, who is not even an elite goaltender. Who is Tereshenko more like it? Bills go to guy from 5 years ago? pff
That is a b***. Bill is already p***ing me off. It would be nice to have a GM/coach completely impartial. There really should be a board of 3 or 4 guys selecting the team to help remove bias. Mozyakin was one of the most accomplished Russian born hockey players last year, Eremenko is 10 x better than Kosechkin, who is not even an elite goaltender. Who is Tereshenko more like it? Bills go to guy from 5 years ago? pff
Mozyakin is one of the most accomplished and consistent offensive players in the KHL, and he always generates lots of goal scoring. Russia needs a lot of players like Mozyakin who can control the puck and score goals in order to offset weaknesses in the defensive zone.
Night_Vole
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Mozyakin has looked very unimpressive on the national team. If he's not scoring than he is useless. Unlike the Worlds we should have most of our scorer wingers (Semin, Ovy, Radulov, Kovalchuk, Tarasenko) at the Olympics. Mozyakin would not have a top six role. So it makes a lot more sense to take guys like Kulemin or Tikhonov who can do other things besides score.
And the complete opposite of it on the NT. The Olympics is not about giving anybody another chance.
Bad idea in the first place and then scoring wingers is something we have tons of. Better than Mozyakin moreover...
That is a b***. Bill is already p***ing me off. It would be nice to have a GM/coach completely impartial. There really should be a board of 3 or 4 guys selecting the team to help remove bias. Mozyakin was one of the most accomplished Russian born hockey players last year, Eremenko is 10 x better than Kosechkin, who is not even an elite goaltender. Who is Tereshenko more like it? Bills go to guy from 5 years ago? pff
Bill is not there to please you in the first place. Mozyakin was a total bust on the NT every time he was on it. And Bill did give him a chance. There is only one person Mozyakin should blame for this situation - himself.
Yeryomenko on the currently best team now he looks like a good goalie. He only looks like it. Koshechkin was always overused in Cherepovets and was able to pull that middle of the pack team into playoffs playing nearly every game, then he was awful while obviously tired on the NT. Still good enough to be on the long list.
Who is Tereschenko? The best two-way center we can put on the third line right now, a PK specialist we don't have alot of. Do you have a better offer?
Does anyone know what types of activities team Russia did at their evaluation camp? Any comments from the staff regarding the composition of the team, tactics, preparations? Any comments regarding why they did not go on the ice?
I wonder if Russia will be smart and PREPARE its Team thoroughly with the 1 Physical Conditioning 2 Creative Tactics and 3 Goaltending Methods that the Great Soviet Union Teams prepared with under Great Coaches like Viktor Tikhonov?!!!
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Paxton Fettel
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our guys have started the season so bad, now the idea of them playing in Sochi scares the hell out of me
boris4c
Quid infantes sumus.
The goaltenders on the other hand have been incredible, especially Semyon Varlamov.
cska78
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Tikhonov????
Yakupov has 1% chance of being at the OG.
Tarasenko and Kuznetsov - 10 and 20%
There's no way Bill goes withouth a shut down line: Kulemin-Tereschenko-Kokarev (Soin an alternative)
Also, where's Nikulin on that roster?
Fantomas
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Meh, everything is about timing. You can start the season super good and then run out of steam when it matters.
Acallabeth
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Yeah, I think Varlamov's strong 2012 Worlds and his good play over this season (if he keeps it up) will overshadow his horrendous performance at the last World Championship. Bob is inexperienced, and there's barely anyone else deserving.
That is a b***. Bill is already p***ing me off. It would be nice to have a GM/coach completely impartial. There really should be a board of 3 or 4 guys selecting the team to help remove bias. Mozyakin was one of the most accomplished Russian born hockey players last year, Eremenko is 10 x better than Kosechkin, who is not even an elite goaltender. Who is Tereshenko more like it? Bills go to guy from 5 years ago? pff
1. There is a board that makes those decisions.
2. If that lazy arse Mozyakin somehow gets on the olympic team I'll be the frist to call for Bill's head. Pppl can't ever look beyond stats in the league. Mozyakin is absolutely worthless on any level above the KHL. I don't know why. Go ask him why he dissappears as soon as the competition gets a little tougher. Zaripov is a much more competitive player.
3. Somebody calling Yeryomenko 10 times better than Koshechin certainly hasn't followed their respective careers. Koshechkin is head and shoulders above the likes of Yeryomenko whose slight revival under Znarok's highly responsible system makes ppl think he's a top notch goalie. Koshechkin always proved his woth pulling good for nothing teams by the hair into playoffs. His only problem was he was always overworked by te end of the season. Everythnig Yeryomenko ever accomplished was with a top to stellar team in front of him. and then he played for the NT and failed hard.
Yeah, remove your bias.
4. Who is Tereschenko? Seroiously?
Tereschenko is a great playmaker and an excellent defensive player. Do you really think Bill can load up with goal scorers only and neglect playmaking and defense? No championship team can function without role players. Tereschenko has been a key ingredient in every World Championship team, beginning in 2008.
Acallabeth
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Today's Tereschenko is still an iron lock for any World Championship team and is a very strong candidate for the Olympic team. He's built for Bill's style.
2) Mozyakin looked great and scored in EHT last year when he was playing along side Malkin so I don't know what your talking about. There is no way that some of the guys named ahead of him are any better than him, which was my point which you have not addressed what so ever.
Has nothing to do with the stats. He has the best finishing skills in the league due to his world class release and accuracy, and playmaking ability on top of that. He has the ability to slow the play down like Datsyuk then thread the needle with great pass or pull a deke which makes him so good. Defenders never know if he will handcuff them with a shot or a pass. Zaripov can be counting his blessings to be playing with Mozyakin. His talent is beyond his numbers my friend. Mozyakin is assisting on 90% of Zaripovs goals
3) Kosechkin is big and clumsy, and I have seen a lot of him. From a technique point of view Yeremenko is superior Even Keenan seems to be getting fed up with him. You seem to relate anything good that happens to someone on DYNM to Znaroks. Yes he is a great coach, but he does not where goalie pads. Yeremenko has 2 KHL championships, how many for Kosechkin? He was lights out last year in the POs especially against Traktor, great team in front of him or not. To say that I have not been following Kosechkin/Eremenkos career is a claim with no merit. I have seen both play many times. I don't see how Kosechkin was successful at the NT level, he was atrocious letting in soft untimely goals at EHT last year, save % all over the place at NT level. At the end of the day, even in most recent times, Yeremenko is a way more accomplished, consistent goaltender, not even close.
3 RSL championships, 3 KHL Championships, KHL best goalie x 2, 2 world championship GOLD IN 06/07 when he was the starter he had less than a 1 GAA
you said failure at NT level? I don't know where you get basis for your arguments, but this one you overwhelmingly have been defeated in. Znarok's wasn't his coach for his whole career.Yeah... If Im bias, its that I have a bias for victory and championships.
3) Tereschenko IMO is not a bad player, but there are better options.
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yeah, right.
who doesn't know what he's talking about, huh?
Helluva performace at EHT level with Malkin to dish him the pucks when basically 80% of the olympic roster was crushing everybody else's B-teams at KPK in Moscow. Please spare me that. Mozyakin never performed at top level. It's a mental thing. He's talented and all. He just doesn't want to switch to a higher level when needed. He always was a liability when on the NT in a serious tournament. I don't want that ever again.
Gime me some names, but pretty please think of the positions and lines. I don't want to have a discussion about why a 4th liner isn't taking a scorer's spot.
No, no and no. He just doesn't. He needs space and time. He lacks top notch talent to do it all in a pressure cooker. And there will be no time and space given away at the olympics.
Outch! You can't compare this guy to Datsyuk.
Yeah, Zaripov has became a star in this league playing with Mozyakin, getting all the assits from him... wait...
That's laughable. Zaripov is by far a better and a more complete player.
3) Kosechkin is big and clumsy,
Since when being big is a problem for a goaltender? And since when "clumsy" is a term appropriate for a player discussion?
Yeah, that must be the reason why Keenan would play him 21 times out of 23.
And that's probably bad techinique that earned him his career numbers with bottom feeder teams...
Really?
My mother could have won a championship in Ufa back then. There is a loooong list of goaltenders who weren't great, just on the right team at the right time to win it all because the team was steller enough to win with a good but not great goaltending. And then there is that Bure guy who never won the Stanley Cup. Yeah, what a bum, even Chris Draper has won 4. No question Draper was a better player.
Yep, thanks for confirming my point. You didn't follow their carrers(and my post). Yes, Koshechkin basically always played around 50 games on a team where he had to make like 40 saves every game night, then he was just a fatigued and when called up to the NT he wasn't any good. That's what I wrote. I hoped he'd get more rest with MMG. But they ride him just like with Severstal instead.
Yeryomenko on the other hand always got his accolades with a stellar team in front of him, then he got invited to the NT and was super bad(or he has barely played because however Bykov always invited him as his guy Bykov still knew of his qualities as a player) But let's pretend that never happened.
Sorry but you can't erase my memory. He hasn't got his nickname for nothing.
Yeah, I see. but we've had that already. Bure or Draper?
Name them. I'm getting popcorn. Must be stunning as I thought we have the biggest trouble at center.
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