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I love Slavin and would wish him well in spreading the good word in Winnipeg.

Of course I would trade Slavin+ to get Laine and Aho on the same line. Having the top line for Finland playing in Raleigh for the next decade would be worth our top D man.

If that offer comes around, I'm sure Ron will seriously consider it. But those deals just don't come around that often, Johansen for Jones notwithstanding.
 

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Of course I would trade Slavin+ to get Laine and Aho on the same line. Having the top line for Finland playing in Raleigh for the next decade would be worth our top D man.

If that offer comes around, I'm sure Ron will seriously consider it. But those deals just don't come around that often, Johansen for Jones notwithstanding.

It would have to be predicated on some sort of Duchene-level meltdown between Laine and the Jets.
 

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Okay, those bright colors you see are me in my homer costume.


I'd be hard pressed to trade Slavin for Laine and my logic is fairly simple. Slavin simply impacts a much larger swath of the game. Laine isn't a center, isn't particularly responsible in his own zone. He does have a magical rocket of a shot, but, frankly, those are much more prevalent than a #1 shut down defender. Something like Slavin for McDavid (with lots of adds), Matthews (with some adds), or Eichel (with a small add) are the caliber of player that gets that discussion going for me. I know it is homerish and unrealistic, but the thought of a young, world-class top 4 on defense for many years to come is just crucial to my understanding of how this team is built.

To me, the team is being constructed very carefully and until we gain even more forward depth (or the forward depth proves itself over the next year or so), we have to let this thing play out, riding the blueline as our primary skill area.
 

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Homerism or not, you're a nutter if you don't move Slavin for Laine, and I've been one of the biggest Slavin fanboys from the get go.
 

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Laine is the level of return I'd need to consider moving Slavin. Laine seems like he'd be the better career player but most teams would probably be better off with Slavin. Top-10 prime D > top-5 prime winger for team success.
 

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Okay, those bright colors you see are me in my homer costume.


I'd be hard pressed to trade Slavin for Laine and my logic is fairly simple. Slavin simply impacts a much larger swath of the game. Laine isn't a center, isn't particularly responsible in his own zone. He does have a magical rocket of a shot, but, frankly, those are much more prevalent than a #1 shut down defender. Something like Slavin for McDavid (with lots of adds), Matthews (with some adds), or Eichel (with a small add) are the caliber of player that gets that discussion going for me. I know it is homerish and unrealistic, but the thought of a young, world-class top 4 on defense for many years to come is just crucial to my understanding of how this team is built.

To me, the team is being constructed very carefully and until we gain even more forward depth (or the forward depth proves itself over the next year or so), we have to let this thing play out, riding the blueline as our primary skill area.

I actually agree with you, but I didn't say it before because I hate being the only idiot with a contrarian opinion. If we were to trade Slavin, IMO, it should only be for a franchise-type center. Laine is awesome but IMO we are set with wingers for years to come.
 

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I'd trade Slavin for Laine, but I wouldn't add. If the only way to get Laine is Slavin+, then I'd rather keep the franchise #1D over the top-5 league wide winger. I'd do an even swap, however, because of the chemistry he's shown with Aho in the past. If we didn't have Aho, then I'd be less likely to move Slavin for him.
 

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As an also Jets fan, I feel obligated to inform that this is purely an academic discussion.
 

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But as an academic I'm not willing to go so far that to claim that this is just one puerile discussion.
 

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I'd trade Slavin for Laine, but I wouldn't add. If the only way to get Laine is Slavin+, then I'd rather keep the franchise #1D over the top-5 league wide winger. I'd do an even swap, however, because of the chemistry he's shown with Aho in the past. If we didn't have Aho, then I'd be less likely to move Slavin for him.

What's the +, though?

I mean you're already giving up Slavin and getting a franchise player in return. That shouldn't fall apart because they want Nordstrom too.
 

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You guys are nuts. I'd trade him in a heartbeat for Laine. Starting to get a little overboard with the Slavin hype around here. I won't clown it as much as I did when it got overboard for Faulk, because I think Slavin is a far better defender but I don't think he's as good as we're building him up to be. He has to at least maintain what he has done for the next 8 years to be worth his deal. It's not as much of a gimme as you'd think. There's no assurance he'll get better. I like the deal because we need the stability and this seems to be a very stable player. He isn't elite at this point, his offense isn't there. If someone offered a young elite player you'd be crazy not to take it.

I'd prefer a center also, as would RF I suspect but you never know when those are coming along.
 

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I feel this way about it. If you go back historically and look at some comparables, it might help contextually. I have said before that Slavin's trajectory reminds me a lot of Duncan Keith. The play styles are very similar, but Keith likely has more offense in his prime than Slavin will. All in all, it seems close to me. When you think about elite goal scoring wingers like Laine projects to be, it's tougher to manufacture comparables. Era adjusted, maybe Rick Nash? 41 goals at 19. Laine is a pure shooter and scorer, but his playmaking leaves something to be desired. The Kovalchuk comparisons to me just seem offbase. Kovalchuk as a rookie was just absolute electricity. Laine is an absolute beast, but Kovalchuk was really something else entirely. Even still, if you use Nash as a bottom end and Kovalchuk as a higher end and compare their impact as relative to a guy like Keith, you can see how the positional longevity of defensemen lends itself to higher valuation. With rare exception, goal scoring wingers just simply don't age well. Unless you consider Laine to be Ovechkin 2.0 or even Kovalchuk 2.0, then maybe you consider it because the prime impact will be so immense that you'll take 8 years of it over the 12 you'll probably get from the defenseman. The narrative seems to be that people always believe that production from 18 year old players will be only a portion of what they bring in their prime and as such the expectations for Laine might already be unrealistic. Jeff Skinner was an example. The 30 goal and 60 point version of Skinner had some of us expecting Crosby type production once he was 22 or 23, but it turns out that version of the player was almost as good as he was going to get.

Would it be worth thinking about if Winnipeg dangled Laine for Slavin? God, yes. But would it be a slam dunk that this trade would be long term good for us? Debatable.
 

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I agree the debate is interesting. I'd have to do it. We have other dmen in the pipeline. For all we know Hanifin is better than Slavin in three years. Laine is stronger and a better shooter than Nash. I totally agree that wingers don't age well, and I'm a big believer in not making your winger your best player vs at center. I just couldn't say no to this. We would have to add probably big for this to ever come close to happening. Scorers tend to be at their best in their early 20's imo, and we'd have those years.
 

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You guys are nuts. I'd trade him in a heartbeat for Laine. Starting to get a little overboard with the Slavin hype around here. I won't clown it as much as I did when it got overboard for Faulk, because I think Slavin is a far better defender but I don't think he's as good as we're building him up to be. He has to at least maintain what he has done for the next 8 years to be worth his deal. It's not as much of a gimme as you'd think. There's no assurance he'll get better. I like the deal because we need the stability and this seems to be a very stable player. He isn't elite at this point, his offense isn't there. If someone offered a young elite player you'd be crazy not to take it.

I'd prefer a center also, as would RF I suspect but you never know when those are coming along.

I personally don't feel it ever really got super overboard for Faulk. I think it was pretty consistent for what he actually became. I generally don't like the line folks take with the whole "you guys were acting so stupid while I was over here being all rational af." when talking about player upside. You're almost always going to be safe taking the under on players, and our board pessimists have cashed out big on those prognostications. The hedge betting going on by some around here with Slavin is a little funny, because if he hits his potential they've left some backdoor plausible deniability regarding their stance and if he falls short then they've made a fool of the entire fanbase in their estimation. It's a pretty safe play.
 

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He spent half the year not making an attempt to score. I think his offense is getting underrated, if anything.

Laine for Slavin grabs and holds my attention. I bet Winnipeg would love to have Slavin-Trouba for the next 8 years.
 

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I've taken shots from posters around here for years for my take on Faulk. People still joke that I "hate" him. I think you're missing me. I was trying to acknowledge my history on that, not show anyone I was right about anything. I don't care if I'm wrong, and I have been. Stating we should temper expectations and just enjoy what we have isn't "hedge betting", it's common sense.


"Cash out big"? I don't even know what that means. On a personal level, I can't recall anyone ever really making fun of me for being wrong or congratulating me when I'm right. I think someone teased me for being wrong about Mcbain once. I deserved that. I think you're over rating people's (or my) need for street cred.
 

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He spent half the year not making an attempt to score. I think his offense is getting underrated, if anything.

Laine for Slavin grabs and holds my attention. I bet Winnipeg would love to have Slavin-Trouba for the next 8 years.

I think you're right, but the offense hasn't been there yet. I hope it does. I hope this turns out to be a steal of a contract. We're going to have plenty of time to dissect.
 

Navin R Slavin

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Anyone here think that Slavin has an even money chance at a Norris one day?

If we start going to the playoffs on the regular and make some noise occasionally, I think he's a perennial Norris candidate.

And I'd still trade him for Laine, because Laine could be a Richard/Hart contender one day.

Two young players with a great present and ridiculous upside.

It's not crazy, I don't think.
 

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My biggest issue with this trade concept is the money. Laine's contract is going to be huge and if we're a budget team that would likely hurt us in a similar way Staal's contract did.

I'd still probably do it in a heartbeat.
 

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What's the +, though?

I mean you're already giving up Slavin and getting a franchise player in return. That shouldn't fall apart because they want Nordstrom too.

Sure, if it's Nordstrom, I probably do it. If it is TT? If it's our 1st? If it's Roy? I'm probably going to pass. As good as Laine is, giving up franchise player of our own plus another significant piece for a winger is not the something I would do trying to build our franchise back to where we want it to be.
 

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Sure, if it's Nordstrom, I probably do it. If it is TT? If it's our 1st? If it's Roy?

If you're trading in the stratosphere of Laine and Slavin, a +1 isn't going to be anything less than a first-round talent/pick. That would be like a million dollar negotiation being settled with $256.25 tacked on the end of it.
 

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Homerism or not, you're a nutter if you don't move Slavin for Laine, and I've been one of the biggest Slavin fanboys from the get go.

Laine is the level of return I'd need to consider moving Slavin. Laine seems like he'd be the better career player but most teams would probably be better off with Slavin. Top-10 prime D > top-5 prime winger for team success.

This is why I said I'd be "hard pressed". I just don't think you can discount other multiple factors, of which one of the most significant is he's the #1 in a group that projects to yield great things. Laine is one-dimensional, a great single dimension, but one dimension just the same. You an call me a "nutter" all you want, but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Anyone here think that Slavin has an even money chance at a Norris one day?

If we start going to the playoffs on the regular and make some noise occasionally, I think he's a perennial Norris candidate.

And I'd still trade him for Laine, because Laine could be a Richard/Hart contender one day.

Two young players with a great present and ridiculous upside.

It's not crazy, I don't think.

Perhaps the trade becomes more of a consideratio to me when it becomes more apparent that the loss of what Slavin brings is ameliorated by the scoring that Laine brings. But I doubt it....as I said, I'm likely out on an island on this, but I like it here.
 

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If you're trading in the stratosphere of Laine and Slavin, a +1 isn't going to be anything less than a first-round talent/pick. That would be like a million dollar negotiation being settled with $256.25 tacked on the end of it.

Well, that was kind of my point. If the trade is straight up, I willing to do it. If the trade is the two players and the plus is pocket change player/prospect/pick, I do it. If the trade is the two players plus we kick in a 1st round caliber player or future, I don't do it.
 

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I'm sorry, I don't see Slavin as being close to Duncan Keith. I mean come on, let's pump the brakes a bit here. I love Slavin too but there are much better defensemen in this league.
 

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