Rumor: Seth Jones’s camp allowed to negotiate with teams to speed up a trade

[thesaadfather]

Depends on whether Jones is willing to sign an extension.

Even then, I think something like Boqvist + 1st/Reichel is a mistake. This team doesn’t look like it’ll be ready to compete in the next couple years. They don’t have the roster (or coach) in place. Trading two major parts of the future before you even know what you have in them for a guy that really won’t make a huge difference until 3+ years down the line is a mistake IMO.

 

[Drumman44]

Comes down to Toews

If Toews is ready to play a full season, then you could go whole hog and max out the "window" with their contracts, trading picks and prospects for Jones etc

If he's not, then honestly anyone over the age of 26 should be available for trade

 

[hawksrule]

Even then, I think something like Boqvist + 1st/Reichel is a mistake. This team doesn’t look like it’ll be ready to compete in the next couple years. They don’t have the roster (or coach) in place. Trading two major parts of the future before you even know what you have in them for a guy that really won’t make a huge difference until 3+ years down the line is a mistake IMO.

It would make no sense whatsoever.

 

[hawksrule]

I'd be fine with Reichel, Boqvist and #12OA or Boqvist, Murphy, minor prospect and #12OA. Preference would be the former. We'll see how things shake out. If there's a deal to be made, with the history Jarmo and Bowman have, it will get done today.

That would be awful for Chicago.

 

[SimpleJack]

Plz do not move Boqvist. He’s in line to be one of our top 2 or 3 defenseman this upcoming season(and even better beyond that). Moving him to add Jones really wouldn’t do much in terms of upgrading the overall Dcore. It’s addition by subtraction.

 

[hawksrule]

Please do not confuse one or two radicals with the entire fanbase, or even all the Jackets fans posting here on HF. I suspect I could even name the guys who pulled that without looking, altho doing so would be frowned upon given the rules here.

What most of us have been truly persistent about is the "at least two" rule with guys like Reichel, Boqvist, the 1st, and similar prime-but-not-wholly-untouchable assets. Plenty of folks are also insisting on an extra on top of that. But there's no "guaranteed Dach" nonsense except for one (maybe two, but I only directly remember one off the top of my head) wingnut.

I can understand wanting two big pieces, but Chicago simply isn’t in a position where that makes sense for us. We’re not one major piece from contending. Nowhere close. We’re far more likely drafting in the top 5 next year than 25-30. That’s why I think this deal is either for one piece, or more likely doesn’t happen.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Plz do not move Boqvist. He’s in line to be one of our top 2 or 3 defenseman this upcoming season(and even better beyond that). Moving him to add Jones really wouldn’t do much in terms of upgrading the overall Dcore. It’s addition by subtraction.

but your moving a top 2 or 3 (doubtful) for the number 1 defenseman....?

 

[SuterHaglshev]

Even then, I think something like Boqvist + 1st/Reichel is a mistake. This team doesn’t look like it’ll be ready to compete in the next couple years. They don’t have the roster (or coach) in place. Trading two major parts of the future before you even know what you have in them for a guy that really won’t make a huge difference until 3+ years down the line is a mistake IMO.

Boqvist & a first with a B+ prospect is fine.

I don't see Reichel in a deal. Stan could even have a condition that Dylan Strome is in the deal or de Haan. There should be salary going out = Brett Connolly.

Columbus is going to take something Chicago doesn't want on the roster in order to maximize a return.

 

[hawksrule]

Boqvist & a first with a B+ prospect is fine.

I don't see Reichel in a deal. Stan could even have a condition that Dylan Strome is in the deal or de Haan. There should be salary going out = Brett Connolly.

Columbus is going to take something Chicago doesn't want on the roster in order to maximize a return.

As a cbj fan you would no doubt be fine with that. It may even be fair value wise. But would still be dumb of us to make that deal.

 

[SimpleJack]

but your moving a top 2 or 3 (doubtful) for the number 1 defenseman....?

Doubtful? Who is ahead of/going to take on a larger role than Boqvist other than maybe Murphy ?

He’s EASILY one of the Hawks top 3 defenseman, probably top 2, going into the season.

 

[Drumman44]

After seeing Forsling turn into a legit Top4D (under Q again, ironically) I really don't want to be in the business of trading away youth.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I hope the Avs or Stars or someone steps in and stops Hawks from making an awful trade

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I've been a Hawk fan since birth, but live in Columbus and have had tickets to the CBJ. You want Seth Jones or you should want him and the window for Kane and Toews is narrowing. Giving up a couple top prospects and picks to get a premier #1 D. Win win for both clubs.

 

[cslebn]

Doubtful? Who is ahead of/going to take on a larger role than Boqvist other than maybe Murphy ?

He’s EASILY one of the Hawks top 3 defenseman, probably top 2, going into the season.

But if you're trading a 3 for a 1 is your depth impacted, improved, or made worse?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I've been a Hawk fan since birth, but live in Columbus and have had tickets to the CBJ. You want Seth Jones or you should want him and the window for Kane and Toews is narrowing. Giving up a couple top prospects and picks to get a premier #1 D. Win win for both clubs.

Trading away young talent and 1st rounder for Seth f***ing Jones and then giving him an awful longterm deal would infact be ensuring Hawks never again contend during Kane/Toews career and puts team on level with Sabres

 

[ploppsdman]

If Chicago acquires Jones the defense goes from abysmal to awful. What is the real gain? I 100% expect Chicago to make a 110% stupid trade.

 

[Avsboy]

Reply #666

 

[thesaadfather]

I've been a Hawk fan since birth, but live in Columbus and have had tickets to the CBJ. You want Seth Jones or you should want him and the window for Kane and Toews is narrowing. Giving up a couple top prospects and picks to get a premier #1 D. Win win for both clubs.

The Toews and Kane window closed when they traded Panarin. Maybe the window opens again soon, but it won’t be because of Toews and Kane. If the window opens again, it will be because Dach, Debrincat, and the other young guys open it, not because we traded for Seth Jones to supplement Toews and Kane.

 

[thesaadfather]

But if you're trading a 3 for a 1 is your depth impacted, improved, or made worse?

The Hawks aren’t competing now. The question is not who is a 1 or 3 now, it’s who is a 1 or 3 in three years.

 

[Fro]

This thread feels like the Habs/Josh Anderson threads "he's awful, we don't want him" "we fleeced you, stupid CBJ how do you make that trade" rinse, repeat

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Boqvist
Pius Suter
2022 1st

Seth Jones (extended)

 

[Esq]

After seeing Forsling turn into a legit Top4D (under Q again, ironically) I really don't want to be in the business of trading away youth.

I don't think that's a good example. We traded him to Carolina and IIRC he was on waivers there more than once. He was just an unexpected late bloomer.

 

[Esq]

I've been a Hawk fan since birth, but live in Columbus and have had tickets to the CBJ. You want Seth Jones or you should want him and the window for Kane and Toews is narrowing. Giving up a couple top prospects and picks to get a premier #1 D. Win win for both clubs.

Someone gets it.

 

[thesaadfather]

This thread feels like the Habs/Josh Anderson threads "he's awful, we don't want him" "we fleeced you, stupid CBJ how do you make that trade" rinse, repeat

On the contrary, trading a king’s ransom for Jones would probably finally unite the Blackhawks fanbase under the “Fire Bowman” banner.

 

[hawksrule]

This thread feels like the Habs/Josh Anderson threads "he's awful, we don't want him" "we fleeced you, stupid CBJ how do you make that trade" rinse, repeat

I haven’t heard anyone say Jones is awful, I suspect you’re making that up. Just because someone is a good player doesn’t obligate us to be excited at the prospect of massively overpaying when we have no chance of contending.