Luigi Habs
Captain Saku
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Exactly the player Juve needs. They tried hard last summer to sign him but Lazio rejected all offers. Hopefully it works this time.
Welcome to Juventus SMS.
It was time and i am happy. Great gk, horrible person and loved more in the rest of the world than in Italy.
Umm sorry? Buffon a horrible person? Care to explain why?
Where do we start from? From bets on his matches or his real estate scams? Did not you know that he is a fascist? Those who live in Italy and breathe football know very well who Buffon is, so I say that abroad is much more loved but simply because you do not know the whole story.
I leave out private life, which everyone knows, and statements made to journalists. It was so nice to hear him after the Madrid defeat, after the many Juventus steals in Italy did not accept the adverse decisions in Europe.
It would have been nice to see him expelled as he deserved Saturday
So...great keeper half a person!
Regarding his possible fascist views, I know there were lots of talks when he started earlier in his career wearing a number that is tied with fascism (number 98 I guess). I don’t know how we can make a clear cut correlation based on that. I have never heard or read a direct quote from him on that regard. And at 17/18 yrs old you’re probably very influenced by your upbringing. I’m 33 and I can tell you I’m a totally different person than what I was at 18.
Also regarding his shady businesses, how is it different than Messi and Ronaldo shady schemes to escape paying taxes?
And thus the responsability lies on Buffon. Not on your xenophobic opinion about Italy.
With Buffon there's definitely a pattern of problematic behavior, but unfortunately that same pattern also extends across Italian football. Almost all major sides have such star players and club legends, not to mention numerous ultra factions and in some cases entire clubs like Lazio and Hellas. Thus I see Buffon mostly as a product of a sick culture, an environment where wrong things are revered.
And?
How does that make Italy a sick culture? You have idiots in eveyr country. And I'd say those capable of voting like I stated before (Germany, Austria, France, US) are quite numerous in those countries.
What is wrong with being religious? You sound like a typical communist. I'm sure the Yugoslav flag is still hanging somewhere.Italy has a problem historically with fascism - not just being the cradle for it, but also not processing it after the War.
They had no Nűrnberg process or anything of the sort - they literally had Mussolini and his mistress shot and hanged on the square - and that was it.
Everyone else who had anything and everything to do with the fascist regime went scot-free and a lot of them even got major functions in the new government. Italy never had their own confrontation with fascism like Germany did with nazism.
That said, it's hardly endemic to Italy, the rise of right-wing nuttery across Europe and the uneducated athletes falling into its jaws.
Ultras are almost exclusively tied to right-wing, in any country.
For a young footballer like Buffon was, with modest education (or none), in a religious country, surrounded by some more uneducated, religious people, and pampered by right-wing ultras, and then glorified by right-wing politicians because they did this and that in the name of "God and country"... You can see how it occurs.
It happens in Croatia as well, most of our athletes are uneducated and indoctrinated with religion, and the church does almost daily work for the right-wing - its not a far step for those athletes to adopt similir views, lacking education and critical thinking.
Mateo Kovacic and Dario Simic, for example, are just bonkers when it comes to religion.
Our former handball national team manager once said "his friend Jesus" secured the win for them vs Poland a couple of years ago. Apparently, Jesus likes catholic Croats more than catholic Poles.
The next round they lost to Spain. Because apparently Jesus likes catholic Spaniards more than catholic Croats.
Blanka Vlasic, the famous high-jumper (and sister to Everton's Nikola Vlasic), is another example of just going bananas with religion.
My point is, all these kids are uneducated and exposed to religion a lot - and then just surrounded by more of the same, and by some right nutters.
I'm not excusing Buffon's fascist takes on stuff back in the day.
I'm not saying he "couldn't have known better" or anything like that - a just society rests on the principle of personal responsibility, as Hitches used to say.
And I'm not saying Italy is worse than other countries in that regard (though I'd say it just gets worse the further east you go).
I'm just trying to explain the circumstances in which these athletes grow up (or a lot of them, at least), and how it can occur easier in that surrounding compared to, I dunno, a guy studying architecture in the capital city, surrounded by more kids receiving education and exposed to globalism etc.
We can take that up in the closed politics forum if you want.What is wrong with being religious?
You sound like a typical communist. I'm sure the Yugoslav flag is still hanging somewhere.
What is wrong with being religious? You sound like a typical communist. I'm sure the Yugoslav flag is still hanging somewhere.