Salary cap crunch next year

[Hawkaholic]

I'd think that if we're moving out Bickell Kruger Smith and Sharp we'd be getting back at least a couple NHL bodies.

For sure, I would think they would want some vets though. Can't see them rolling with so many young players.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Doesn't mean anything, what's his corsi?

Absolute gold.

 

[SimpleJack]

My ideal Hawks roster for next year:

Saad(3.5) - Toews(10.5) - Hossa(5.275)
Sharp(5.9) - Teravainen(.925) - Kane(10.5)
McNeil(.863,333) - Shaw(2.0) - Versteeg(2.2)
Nordstrom(1.0) - Danault(.863,333) - Smith(1.5)
cheap vet/prospect(.8)

Keith(5.538,462) - Seabrook(5.8)
Hjalmarsson(4.1) - TVR(.925)
Rundblad(1.0) - cheap vet/prospect(1.0)
cheap vet/prospect(.8)

Crawford(6.0)
Darling(.8)

Thats minus Bickell, Kruger, Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Carcillo, and Raanta. Resign Saad at 3.5. Also assuming we can add a vet or a prospect here or there, and resign Darling, Rundblad, and Nordstrom for reasonable prices.

All in total that adds up to right around 71.7 mill. I really hope thats doable. If not, then consider moving Versteeg or Shaw to make up for the difference.

Until i see it in person, im still not giving up on that team being good enough to at least have a chance at the Cup. I dont think the drop-off will be nearly as bad as most are predicting, not with that core of 88,19,81,10,20,2,7,and 4.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

My ideal Hawks roster for next year:

Saad(3.5) - Toews(10.5) - Hossa(5.275)
Sharp(5.9) - Teravainen(.925) - Kane(10.5)
McNeil(.863,333) - Shaw(2.0) - Versteeg(2.2)
Nordstrom(1.0) - Danault(.863,333) - Smith(1.5)
cheap vet/prospect(.8)

Keith(5.538,462) - Seabrook(5.8)
Hjalmarsson(4.1) - TVR(.925)
Rundblad(1.0) - cheap vet/prospect(1.0)
cheap vet/prospect(.8)

Thats minus Bickell, Kruger, Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Carcillo, and Raanta. Resign Saad at 3.5. Also assuming we can add a vet or a prospect here or there, and resign Darling and Nordstrom for reasonable prices.

Crawford(6.0)
Darling(.8)

All in total that adds up to right around 71.7 mill. I really hope thats doable. If not, then consider moving Versteeg or Shaw to make up for the difference.

Until i see it in person, im still not giving up on that team being good enough to at least have a chance at the Cup. I dont think the drop-off will be nearly as bad as most are predicting, not with that core of 88,19,81,10,20,2,7,and 4.

If the cap is 72 this team has at least another year at or near the top of the league at the minimum.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Yeah a $72m cap is very doable, and that roster looks pretty good. Resign Carcillo or use someone like Mashinter or Regin as the 13th forward. Johns or Pokka could be the 6th d, and a vet for the 7th d.

I don't think Nordstrom will get $1m AAV

 

[Taze em]

Take out the escalator, make it 68M. Then the C$ goes to .63 as some predict and the cap goes down again next season just in time for a Hossa recapture penalty.

I'm bearish. I think this season is our last as favorites for a long time.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Take out the escalator, make it 68M. Then the C$ goes to .63 as some predict and the cap goes down again next season just in time for a Hossa recapture penalty.

I'm bearish. I think this season is our last as favorites for a long time.

They'd make a change to the cba. A third of the league would be screwed, and that's good for nobody.

 

[Taze em]

They'd make a change to the cba. A third of the league would be screwed, and that's good for nobody.

A third of the league would be screwed to the benefit of 2/3 of the league. Nothing would change. It just feels like everything went right for the Hawks before (Toews, Kane, league growth, "cap circumventing" contracts) and now it's all gone bad in an instant the second we commit to T/K for the next 8 years.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

The league will want the popular teams to still do well and bring in money.
I can't imagine there won't be some change coming up if all these doomsday scenarios really play out

 

[Taze em]

The league will want the popular teams to still do well and bring in money.
I can't imagine there won't be some change coming up if all these doomsday scenarios really play out

They aren't even doomsday scenarios. They are realistic, even likely outcomes from where we stand now.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

A third of the league would be screwed to the benefit of 2/3 of the league. Nothing would change. It just feels like everything went right for the Hawks before (Toews, Kane, league growth, "cap circumventing" contracts) and now it's all gone bad in an instant the second we commit to T/K for the next 8 years.

A third of the league in trouble is bad for everyone long term.

 

[SimpleJack]

Take out the escalator, make it 68M. Then the C$ goes to .63 as some predict and the cap goes down again next season just in time for a Hossa recapture penalty.

I'm bearish. I think this season is our last as favorites for a long time.

There's still an option if this takes place, so its not the end of the world.

If the cap drops further to 68M(worse case scenario), then Sharp must be moved. Versteeg would plug into the top 6, and then replace Versteeg on the 3rd line with a FA or possibly someone acquired in the package for Sharp. Sign them for 2mil. Thats -5.9 for Sharp plus 2.0 for the new forward making a net of -3.9. So 71.7-3.9 would fit just under 68M. That roster would be weaker, but still a contender.

 

[LordKOTL]

A third of the league in trouble is bad for everyone long term.

I think it depends on which third with respect to fan base as well as how much a franchise contributes to the whole of the NHL will be a factor. You screw with a hot fanbase that is recently fickle--like LA or Chicago, and you could loose a chunk of incoming revenue. You screw with an ailing market team, like AZ or Florida, and the team could completely fold/relocate. Fanbases like Montreal and Toronto could probably be left bleeding in a ditch and they'd still make revenue.

I do think from a league/NHLPA standpoint that the cap falling would be completely detrimental. If anything, I think the NHLPA knows what side its bread is buttered on and will at least try to keep the cap the same. Unless Canada closes for good, at some point the C$ will rebound.

 

[Hawknut 1]

On MvsW today Marek said some analysts are predicting a $.63 canadian dollar in the next two years. If true, it's hard to argue against this being our last contending season for a long time.

Enjoy while it lasts, I guess. Sigh.

It' over already in case you haven't noticed.

 

[scarchelli]

My ideal Hawks roster for next year:

Saad(3.5) - Toews(10.5) - Hossa(5.275)
Sharp(5.9) - Teravainen(.925) - Kane(10.5)
McNeil(.863,333) - Shaw(2.0) - Versteeg(2.2)
Nordstrom(1.0) - Danault(.863,333) - Smith(1.5)
cheap vet/prospect(.8)

Keith(5.538,462) - Seabrook(5.8)
Hjalmarsson(4.1) - TVR(.925)
Rundblad(1.0) - cheap vet/prospect(1.0)
cheap vet/prospect(.8)

Crawford(6.0)
Darling(.8)

Thats minus Bickell, Kruger, Oduya, Rozsival, Richards, Carcillo, and Raanta. Resign Saad at 3.5. Also assuming we can add a vet or a prospect here or there, and resign Darling, Rundblad, and Nordstrom for reasonable prices.

All in total that adds up to right around 71.7 mill. I really hope thats doable. If not, then consider moving Versteeg or Shaw to make up for the difference.

Until i see it in person, im still not giving up on that team being good enough to at least have a chance at the Cup. I dont think the drop-off will be nearly as bad as most are predicting, not with that core of 88,19,81,10,20,2,7,and 4.

This is perfect. Completely realistic if the cap is at 71.7 as some predict. Sharp might be another odd man out if they do need more money and/or if darling, nordstrom, rundblad ask for more money.

This team will be completely fine, this will be NOTHING like 2010. All of you conspiracy theorists go put on your tin foil hats.

 

[SimpleJack]

There's also the wildcard option....which would be moving Crawford and Sharp. This might allow the team to retain maximum depth going forward even with a cap thats lower than expected. Resign Saad(3.5), Raanta(1.0), and Kruger(2.0) and retain everyone else(aside from Richards, Carcillo, and Rozsival).

Saad(3.5) - Toews(10.5) - Hossa(5.275)
Versteeg(2.2) - Teravainen(.925) - Kane(10.5)
Bickell(4.0) - Shaw(2.0) - McNeil(.863,333)
Nordstrom(1.0) - Kruger(2.0) - Smith(1.5)
Danault(.863,333)

Keith(5.538,462) - Seabrook(5.8)
Hjalmarsson(4.1) - Oduya(3.375)
TVR(.925) - Rundblad(1.0)
vet(.8)

Raanta(1.0)
Darling(.8)

All added up thats around 68.4 mil. But what makes this very difficult is trying to move Sharp and Crawford without taking back roster players. It would be ideal to receive high draft picks or prospects only, but not sure that would work out. Also adding another cheap vet goalie for around .5-1.0 wouldn't hurt.

Or, there's the option of moving Crawford, Bickell, and Kruger(as well as the obvious Richards, Carcillo, and Rozsival) and resigning Oduya...

Saad(3.5) - Toews(10.5) - Hossa(5.275)
Sharp(5.9) - Teravainen(.925) - Kane(10.5)
McNeil(.863,333) - Shaw(2.0) - Versteeg(2.2)
Nordstrom(1.0) - Danault(.863,333) - Smith(1.5)
vet/prospect(.8)

Keith(5.538,462) - Seabrook(5.8)
Hjalmarsson(4.1) - Oduya(3.375)
TVR(.925) - Rundblad(1.0)
vet/prospect(.8)

Raanta(1.0)
Darling(.8)

That adds up to just about 69 mil.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If we are at a 69 million cap Corey is going to be untradeable.

 

[scarchelli]

No chance the cap stays at 69 mil. The nhl is likely glad it didn't go up as high last year as many expected, so now when it goes up slightly (71-72 mil) everyone will be thrilled.

 

[Kurtosis]

It' over already in case you haven't noticed.

What's over?

 

[Kurtosis]

And if there is a 25% drop in the Canadian dollar there will be a whole lot more to worry about than just the NHL's salary cap.

 

[JaegerDice]

Where are you getting this 63 cents prediction for the Canadian dollar. Most of what I've read suggests that it will probably end up between 80-85 once the oil market restabilizes.

When that happens is up in the air, but nobody sees it going down all the way to where it was in the 90s and early 00s.

 

[Kurtosis]

Where are you getting this 63 cents prediction for the Canadian dollar. Most of what I've read suggests that it will probably end up between 80-85 once the oil market restabilizes.

When that happens is up in the air, but nobody sees it going down all the way to where it was in the 90s and early 00s.

For some reason I am thinking Yahoo finance. They have a bunch of quacks on there.

One guy (former Shell exec) predicted $5.00 gas (on average!) in the United States by the end of 2016.

 

[Hawkaholic]

What's over?

Hawks are awful, how can you not see this? Drunk on the Kool-aid, or applying too much lipstick?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Spinning kool aid.

 

[Hawkaholic]

They'd make a change to the cba. A third of the league would be screwed, and that's good for nobody.

Is that even possible? (changing the CBA?)

Bettman would get his parity pretty quick if teams have to move large contracts to fit under the cap.

Also, can't see players not voting for the escalator. Half the team's would have to go with 20 or 21 players, buy out players, and not sign free agents. It will become a star/rookie league really quick. No middle of the pack, medium priced guys, 30-60 guys out of a job and vets retiring early.