RW/LW Vasili Podkolzin - SKA St.Petersburg, KHL (2019, 10th, VAN) Part 2

[Foppberg]

Damn I totally forgot about him. Vancouver is going to be stacked in the coming years.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Getting excited about this guy. And like others have said, he's exactly what the top six needs. May 1 next year is the earliest he can come over, could potentially join the team for several games and their next playoff run (if they are in the mix).

 

[Rowlet]

The exact type of top 6 winger the Canucks are going to need, and with the upcoming cap crunch potentially leaving Toffoli in the dust, having Pod on his ELC could come in clutch in 21-22 or 22-23.

 

[GetFocht]

Having him and Hoglander in the lineup is when the Canucks will be fully built for a long playoff run. These type of high motor players is what keeps the puck in the offensive zone and suffocates the the opposition on the forecheck.

 

[lawrence]

Getting excited about this guy. And like others have said, he's exactly what the top six needs. May 1 next year is the earliest he can come over, could potentially join the team for several games and their next playoff run (if they are in the mix).

lets hope there is even a season next year. Many doubts right now, tons of new cases in B.C.

 

[Raistlin]

lets hope there is even a season next year. Many doubts right now, tons of new cases in B.C.

and lots of news about long term cardiovascular damage in healthy young adults too. Something that athletes cannot afford to suffer from.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I'm a big Harley and Soderstrom fan, and i think you can argue that they appear to be significantly better than any D prospect VAN has. Also hard to argue against the year that Newhook had, but he was a question mark going into the draft due to the level of competition he played against.

Pod by no means was a bad choice, but I wouldn't say better than those three. Adding Newhook's speed to VAN would be crazy.

None of the player you mentioned affect the game as much as Pod does. Two-way game and puck possession are elite something that the Canucks need more of and every person that talk about this guy raves about his attitude and compete level. He is not in the same tier as Harley, Newhook, or Soderstorm.

 

[Raistlin]

None of the player you mentioned affect the game as much as Pod does. Two-way game and puck possession are elite something that the Canucks need more of and every person that talk about this guy raves about his attitude and compete level. He is not in the same tier as Harley, Newhook, or Soderstorm.

in hindsight I will pick him over Zegras. Knowing his work ethic, this guy has an amazing floor.

 

[Legend123]

None of the player you mentioned affect the game as much as Pod does. Two-way game and puck possession are elite something that the Canucks need more of and every person that talk about this guy raves about his attitude and compete level. He is not in the same tier as Harley, Newhook, or Soderstorm.

Pod is a great prospect but damn those two newhook and sodersrom are both seen by almost all as the better prospects

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Pod is a great prospect but damn those two newhook and sodersrom are both seen by almost all as the better prospects

Pronman: Top 124 NHL prospects entering the 2019-20 season
NHL prospect rankings: Top 50 players in NHL pipelines for 2019-20 | Sporting News Canada
Russian players dominate top spots in TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca
2019/2020 NHL Prospect Rankings

https://www.si.com/hockey/all-acces...m2m-rcw-the-hockey-news-on-sports-illustrated
HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
Redoing the 2019 NHL draft: How would it unfold today? | The Hockey News on Sports Illustrated
Les meilleurs joueurs à l’extérieur de la LNH

So, Espn had Newhook at 7 and Pod at 11 was the only time Newhook was ranked higher and Soderstrom was never really close to Pod in any of the rankings I found.

 

[NuxFan09]

Let's not get carried away with the new cases in BC. The media will always resort to fear mongering. There will be a next season and things will be fine.

 

[Legend123]

Pronman: Top 124 NHL prospects entering the 2019-20 season
NHL prospect rankings: Top 50 players in NHL pipelines for 2019-20 | Sporting News Canada
Russian players dominate top spots in TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca
2019/2020 NHL Prospect Rankings

https://www.si.com/hockey/all-acces...m2m-rcw-the-hockey-news-on-sports-illustrated
HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
Redoing the 2019 NHL draft: How would it unfold today? | The Hockey News on Sports Illustrated
Les meilleurs joueurs à l’extérieur de la LNH

So, Espn had Newhook at 7 and Pod at 11 was the only time Newhook was ranked higher and Soderstrom was never really close to Pod in any of the rankings I found.

Really?? A list of prospect rankings that were done before the start of the season?? Only one or two are updated for the seasons that Pod, Newhook (esp his performance) and Soderstrom just completed.

 

[BB06]

Really?? A list of prospect rankings that were done before the start of the season?? Only one or two are updated for the seasons that Pod, Newhook (esp his performance) and Soderstrom just completed.

He was rated a top 10 Prospect by THN in Feb/March. He was also higher on Craig Buttons January list. So no they're not universally seen as better prospect all around the same tier. Most list have Pod higher than both

January

(Russian players dominate top spots in TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca)

March

1. Bowen Byram
2. Trevor Zegras
3. Igor Shesterkin
4. Karill Kaprizov
5. Spencer Knight
6. Moritz Seider
7. Dylan Cozens
8. Gregori Denisenko
9. Vasily Podkolzin
10. Alexander Romanov
13.Alex Newhook

 

[Legend123]

He was rated a top 10 Prospect by THN in Feb/March. He was also higher on Craig Buttons January list. So no they're not universally seen as better prospect all around the same tier. Most list have Pod higher than both

January


March

Thpse fail to consider Newhook's amazing college season as he blew up after the publication of these rankings. Lets wait and see for the updated ones...

 

[MNRube]

I don’t think there is a single Gm in the NHL who would take Podkolzin over Newhook right now. Newhook just dominated Hockey East as a true freshman. He’s on another level from Podkolzin - there is nobody outside of Vancouver who thinks otherwise.

 

[Fatass]

I don’t think there is a single Gm in the NHL who would take Podkolzin over Newhook right now. Newhook just dominated Hockey East as a true freshman. He’s on another level from Podkolzin - there is nobody outside of Vancouver who thinks otherwise.

Which is considered the better league, hockey east or the KHL?
Imo, it’s too difficult to compare prospects who are playing in such different leagues.

 

[BB06]

• I[/I] don’t think there is a single Gm in the NHL who would take Podkolzin over Newhook right now. Newhook just dominated Hockey East as a true freshman. He’s on another level from Podkolzin - there is nobody outside of Vancouver who thinks otherwise.

The prospect lists I posted say otherwise ....


I mean THN is the opinion of 7-8 scouts and the consensus had Podkolzin higher.

 

[MNRube]

The prospect lists I posted say otherwise ....


I mean THN is the opinion of 7-8 scouts and they all had Podkolzin higher.

Yeah those were from last year. Watch what happens when they come out this year. Sheesh

 

[Grub]

I don’t think there is a single Gm in the NHL who would take Podkolzin over Newhook right now. Newhook just dominated Hockey East as a true freshman. He’s on another level from Podkolzin - there is nobody outside of Vancouver who thinks otherwise.

One plays in NCAA, one plays in KHL... I think it's hard to compare.

Jordan Shroeder scored 45 points in NCAA hockey

 

[BB06]

Yeah those were from last year. Watch what happens when they come out this year. Sheesh

They came out in Feb/March. You should do some research .....

 

[MNRube]

One plays in NCAA, one plays in KHL... I think it's hard to compare.

Jordan Shroeder scored 45 points in NCAA hockey

yeah and Podkolzin had 8 points in 30 games. He probably would have been better off in NCAA.

Create a poll if you like. Newhook > Podkolzin. He also plays a more important position.

 

[MNRube]

They came out in Feb/March. You should do some research .....

That’s in the middle of the season. Newhook dominated from February on. You are clueless. Nobody is saying Podkolzin isn’t a good prospect, just that Newhook is better as of RIGHT NOW. The guys that dominate NCAA as freshman tend to be better than the guys who are under 0.33 PPG in the KHL at same age.

 

[BB06]

That’s in the middle of the season. Newhook dominated from February on. You are clueless. Nobody is saying Podkolzin isn’t a good prospect, just that Newhook is better as of RIGHT NOW. The guys that dominate NCAA as freshman tend to be better than the guys who are under 0.33 PPG in the KHL at same age.

Yeah the guys playing in a far inferior league with ice time and PP time far outproduced the guy in the KHL. You have zero knowledge on Podkolzin and his development or deployment at all or you wouldn't be throwing numbers around. Last half of the season he was playing at a top 6 level in the KHL. Newhook is getting the points for breaking out in the second part of the season so why isn't Podkolzin? You clearly haven't watched a single one of his this games this season so you probably wouldn't know is what I'm assuming.

First 17 games 0 points and average ice time around 3 minutes a game

Last 17 games including playoffs 11 points and average ice time around 12-13 minutes

 

[MNRube]

Yeah the guys playing in a far inferior league with ice time and PP time far outproduced the guy in the KHL. You have zero knowledge on Podkolzin and his development or deployment at all or you wouldn't be throwing numbers around. Last half of the season he was playing at a top 6 level in the KHL. Newhook is getting the points for breaking out in the second part of the season so why isn't Podkolzin? You clearly haven't watched a single one of his this games this season so you probably wouldn't know is what I'm assuming.

First 17 games 0 points and average ice time around 3 minutes a game

Last 17 games including playoffs 11 points and average ice time around 12-13 minutes

You have blinders on. I think Podkolzin is a great prospect as does everyone else. The point is that Newhook is just a tier ahead currently. What he did as a freshman in NCAA is more impressive than Podkolzin. Podkolzin certainly can pass him back up this year but I think the consensus right now in the hockey world is that Newhook is a better prospect.

Look, I hate the Avs and I hate BC so it pains me to say this but the kid is a stud and looks poised to be a future 1C. I don’t think Pod carries the same value. And I think most people without bias would agree.

 

[WRC]

Pronman: Top 124 NHL prospects entering the 2019-20 season
NHL prospect rankings: Top 50 players in NHL pipelines for 2019-20 | Sporting News Canada
Russian players dominate top spots in TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca
2019/2020 NHL Prospect Rankings

https://www.si.com/hockey/all-acces...m2m-rcw-the-hockey-news-on-sports-illustrated
HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
Redoing the 2019 NHL draft: How would it unfold today? | The Hockey News on Sports Illustrated
Les meilleurs joueurs à l’extérieur de la LNH

So, Espn had Newhook at 7 and Pod at 11 was the only time Newhook was ranked higher and Soderstrom was never really close to Pod in any of the rankings I found.

Scott Wheeler @ The Athletic published his Top 50 drafted prospects in early July. This was a ranking which actually included this past season in the assessment. He had Podkolzin at 25, .... Newhook at 4.