Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV: Mod Warning post #557

[aufheben]

I still say Nash is better suited for Anaheim as far as style is concerned. Problem is 3 guys making 8 million plus!

He'd be a massive asset for several Western teams. I wouldn't want to trade him to LA just because I couldn't watch that happening.

 

[Alluckks]

Nash @ 5.5 million + Klein for Muzzin and Gilbert

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Love when rumor accounts make up the most far fetched trade rumors known to man. Like if you are going to make one up at least make it realistic. According to one, Blues asking for not only Kreider....but for Vesey too! LMAO. Maybe that gets a OEL.

If we trade Vesey it should be to Nashville. Just to see the response from Vesey

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They were reportedly shopping him all Summer. Where were the buyers? They certainly weren't coming forward with offers some on here think the NYR can get for him.

Do you know this for sure?

Lets say you're right, hes built up some of that trade value since then. He'll likely be the best forward available outside of the Landeskog's and Duchenes (who most contenders wont be able to afford salary or asset wise) and he isn't a rental. Retain salary and he becomes and even more appealing option.

It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together. Look at what guys go for at the deadline.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Nash to Anaheim would be a Win-Win. We want a young Dman and they have them in spades. The Ducks are in super Win-now mode.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nash to Anaheim would be a Win-Win. We want a young Dman and they have them in spades. The Ducks are in super Win-now mode.

Nash and Miller for Manson and Fowler

 

[Anthony5967]

Do you know this for sure?

Lets say you're right, hes built up some of that trade value since then. He'll likely be the best forward available outside of the Landeskog's and Duchenes (who most contenders wont be able to afford salary or asset wise) and he isn't a rental. Retain salary and he becomes and even more appealing option.

It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together. Look at what guys go for at the deadline.

If the NYR retain say...2 mill then they should attract a fair offer. Will they ? No idea. I just think around the league all you hear is, "this guy doesn't get it done come playoff time". Well, whoever trades for him will probably be in playoff contention.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If the NYR retain say...2 mill then they should attract a fair offer. Will they ? No idea. I just think around the league all you hear is, "this guy doesn't get it done come playoff time". Well, whoever trades for him will probably be in playoff contention.

18 points in 24 play off games over the last 2 years is not bad. Sure, he did not have a great post-season in 2013 or 2014, but people forget that other players also had trouble in their first few post-seasons. Nash played for a Columbus team that made the play offs once in a decade.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Do you know this for sure?

Lets say you're right, hes built up some of that trade value since then. He'll likely be the best forward available outside of the Landeskog's and Duchenes (who most contenders wont be able to afford salary or asset wise) and he isn't a rental. Retain salary and he becomes and even more appealing option.

It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together. Look at what guys go for at the deadline.

Yeah his value was low due to him suffering from an injury riddled season. Nash is night and day compared to last season.

 

[Anthony5967]

18 points in 24 play off games over the last 2 years is not bad. Sure, he did not have a great post-season in 2013 or 2014, but people forget that other players also had trouble in their first few post-seasons. Nash played for a Columbus team that made the play offs once in a decade.

I agree. 18 in 24 is very good. Are the Rangers better off keeping a guy like that or dealing him though? I think that is important too. Great defensive FWD. Offensive star power.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Brett Pesce is real good at hockey

 

[Riche16]

We should sell. This team can't contend w one move. Sell the assets and regroup after the expansion. Set up for that

 

[kovazub94]

Just saw an article in NY Post with Staal and concussions. I definitely have less issues with his Staal and his contract staying with the team into next season. However from his perspective I'd seriously considered retirement if he had another concussion in the near future. But yeah, it would help the Rangers cap-wise building roster.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Just saw an article in NY Post with Staal and concussions. I definitely have less issues with his Staal and his contract staying with the team into next season. However from his perspective I'd seriously considered retirement if he had another concussion in the near future. But yeah, it would help the Rangers cap-wise building roster.

Did Chris Pronger retire? That guy was much worse off and all he did was sit on LTIR. Marc's not retiring any time soon.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't understand the logic of trading a defenseman with a bad contract for a different differenseman with a bad contract? Or why the hell Chicago would want Marc Staal?

Chicago does that trade to get IMMEDIATE cap relief on the $ dif and the ability to more readily move/liquidate the balance of Staal's deal, which is not too bad once his NMC reverts to NTC

They don't want Staal
The premise is they take him now because they may/may not get a better deal, but any deal will not be headache free, and Seabs would have to approve.

The Rangers do this because they cannot move Staal with his NMC and part of the premise is Chicago might be the only exception he would consider to waive to.

You want to trade a 5-year 5.7m AAV contract for an 8-year 6.875m contract and call it "getting rid of a bad contract".

Okay...

Just be accurate, not out of context
that's all I ask

it is taking on a worse contract $ wise that Rangers can more easily move in exchange for a bit less onerous one that is extremely difficult to move

It is not Seabrook's job to fix Chicago's cap issues. He has a contract with 46 million left over 7 years after this season.

Let Chicago buy him out. He can get paid 2/3 of that (losing 15m) and then sign a contract elsewhere getting more money. He can sign another 7m deal for 3m and come out on top with more money.
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There is absolutely no reason for Seabrook to waive his NMC. And if he does for a trade to the Rangers, he won't waive it again to be traded elsewhere in a week, as you stated in your plans

Seabrook is out for Seabrook's best interests
He knows surely his days in Chicago are numbered
He sees long term he cannot fit in NYR
You must acknowledge, like it or not, this is reality


If he was not ambushed, brought in at square one, and given every opportunity to be relocated to the preferred destination of choice, that would be the best, most realistic option for Seabrook to control his fate going forward.

Doesn't have to be within a week, just without delay, presumably over the off season, but if he has a suitor before for playoffs, fine
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I don't get you guys not connecting the dots
in what is a 2 step process

Not everything can be 1 stop shopping

 

[aufheben]

Chicago does that trade to get IMMEDIATE cap relief on the $ dif and the ability to more readily move/liquidate the balance of Staal's deal, which is not too bad once his NMC reverts to NTC

They don't want Staal
The premise is they take him now because they may/may not get a better deal, but any deal will not be headache free, and Seabs would have to approve.

The Rangers do this because they cannot move Staal with his NMC and part of the premise is Chicago might be the only exception he would consider to waive to.




Just be accurate, not out of context
that's all I ask

it is taking on a worse contract $ wise that Rangers can more easily move in exchange for a bit less onerous one that is extremely difficult to move




Seabrook is out for Seabrook's best interests
He knows surely his days in Chicago are numbered
He sees long term he cannot fit in NYR
You must acknowledge, like it or not, this is reality


If he was not ambushed, brought in at square one, and given every opportunity to be relocated to the preferred destination of choice, that would be the best, most realistic option for Seabrook to control his fate going forward.

Doesn't have to be within a week, just without delay, presumably over the off season, but if he has a suitor before for playoffs, fine
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I don't get you guys not connecting the dots
in what is a 2 step process

Not everything can be 1 stop shopping

Trading for Marc Staal is a pretty ****** way of acquiring cap space bern, no offense.

 

[Vitto79]

Fiddler got a 5th so what's Boyle worth? Offer Lindberg and a late pick ?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Fiddler got a 5th so what's Boyle worth? Offer Lindberg and a late pick ?

Why are we trading for Boyle?

 

[Leetch66]

Why are we trading for Boyle?

Tightness !

 

[Raspewtin]

Should definitely look into signing Boyle as a FA this summer.

 

[Roo Returns]

Why are we trading for Boyle?

He's still very productive, a playoff performer, great on face-offs, PK, and even though he's not physical, he's a big body for cycling and puck possession.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He's still very productive, a playoff performer, great on face-offs, PK, and even though he's not physical, he's a big body for cycling and puck possession.

Adding Boyle is not making us a contender. We should not give up assets for Boyle. Sign him in the off season.

 

[bernmeister]

Trading for Marc Staal is a pretty ****** way of acquiring cap space bern, no offense.

No offense taken, brother.
There is a real chance that Hawks don't do this because they can bypass NYR and deal with team willing to take him on.
However, remember that team must be acceptable to Seabrook or he won't waive, period.
He's not likely to go to a team like LV with lots of cap space; he wants a competitive fit, would be conventional wisdom.

So the Hawks try not to maximize a situation which is not easy and would take time.

The rangers reduce some of that by working with the player directly to expedite the process, instead of hit and miss until something is a fit.

Fiddler got a 5th so what's Boyle worth? Offer Lindberg and a late pick ?

Prefer not to cut Lindy while he is still playing through hip repair
he will be worth keeping when that kicks in

Always loved BB, but needs to be UFA signing if he wants to return and we have a match.
He does not want lower 6, a key reason why he left, you may recall.

In addition the $ may be important so that is a prob if we are on a budget

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No offense taken, brother.
There is a real chance that Hawks don't do this because they can bypass NYR and deal with team willing to take him on.
However, remember that team must be acceptable to Seabrook or he won't waive, period.
He's not likely to go to a team like LV with lots of cap space; he wants a competitive fit, would be conventional wisdom.

So the Hawks try not to maximize a situation which is not easy and would take time.

The rangers reduce some of that by working with the player directly to expedite the process, instead of hit and miss until something is a fit.

DING DING DING DING DING! Either Chicago trades him to a team who wants him, or they don't trade him.

Seabrook has to waive his NMC to be traded. He is in control here. And when he waives to be traded to the Rangers, he won't waive again in a few weeks to be traded elsewhere, because the team is in a cap crunch. That is just wishful thinking and that only works in videogames.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Nash and Miller for Manson and Fowler

Not for nothing i would be very upset with this given the blow to our offensive prowess, as much as i understand the need for better D i do not think this would make us a cup contender.