Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV: Mod Warning post #557

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not for nothing i would be very upset with this given the blow to our offensive prowess, as much as i understand the need for better D i do not think this would make us a cup contender.

We can just put Nieves on the 1st line

 

[LaffyTaffy]

We can just put Nieves on the 1st line

LOL yes

 

[Ola]

Should definitely look into signing Boyle as a FA this summer.

I love Boyle as much as everyone else, but I would think twice about getting him now. It's not an absolute rule and there are exceptions, but most of the time you want these guys when they are in their mid-20s. Boyle is getting up there in age.

 

[Ola]

Not really interested in LAs Ds, also think that Muzzin is overrated. Quite much too. They have not played God hockey since they lost Voynovs ability to move the puck. Have they even made the POs since they lost Voynov?

I don't want Cap hit from LA, unless it's Toffoli. What do you guys think about Nolan? King is a bit too old for me. Nolan might have a few years in him where he might play at a little higher level. Kind of like Matt Martin. He was quite mediocre for NYI for many years, before getting up to a level where he was an important part of a good line. Nolan might have that in him too, sometimes these guys can relax a bit and start playing better hockey when they get a little older.

Nolan, Kempe and a 2nd for Zuccarello?

It's a bit of step back trade at first glance, but OTOH we open up a lot of Cap space too. Basically 3.7m or something like that. Nolan gives us a bit edge. I am not sold on Kempe, got a bit of blinders on part in his game. But a well rounded player. He would become a player for us. A 2nd.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not really interested in LAs Ds, also think that Muzzin is overrated. Quite much too. They have not played God hockey since they lost Voynovs ability to move the puck. Have they even made the POs since they lost Voynov?

I don't want Cap hit from LA, unless it's Toffoli. What do you guys think about Nolan? King is a bit too old for me. Nolan might have a few years in him where he might play at a little higher level. Kind of like Matt Martin. He was quite mediocre for NYI for many years, before getting up to a level where he was an important part of a good line. Nolan might have that in him too, sometimes these guys can relax a bit and start playing better hockey when they get a little older.

Nolan, Kempe and a 2nd for Zuccarello?

It's a bit of step back trade at first glance, but OTOH we open up a lot of Cap space too. Basically 3.7m or something like that. Nolan gives us a bit edge. I am not sold on Kempe, got a bit of blinders on part in his game. But a well rounded player. He would become a player for us. A 2nd.

Thats a massive underpayment from LA's side.

Zucc returns much more. Hes still very productive, signed for 2 more years after this one at a great rate.

I'd sooner move him to Anaheim with salary retained and get a few good pieces from them before making that trade with LA.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Not really interested in LAs Ds, also think that Muzzin is overrated. Quite much too. They have not played God hockey since they lost Voynovs ability to move the puck. Have they even made the POs since they lost Voynov?

I don't want Cap hit from LA, unless it's Toffoli. What do you guys think about Nolan? King is a bit too old for me. Nolan might have a few years in him where he might play at a little higher level. Kind of like Matt Martin. He was quite mediocre for NYI for many years, before getting up to a level where he was an important part of a good line. Nolan might have that in him too, sometimes these guys can relax a bit and start playing better hockey when they get a little older.

Nolan, Kempe and a 2nd for Zuccarello?

It's a bit of step back trade at first glance, but OTOH we open up a lot of Cap space too. Basically 3.7m or something like that. Nolan gives us a bit edge. I am not sold on Kempe, got a bit of blinders on part in his game. But a well rounded player. He would become a player for us. A 2nd.

The Kings fans just said yes, thank you, and asked where they can mail you an annual Xmas gift.

 

[wafflepadsave]

They were reportedly shopping him all Summer. Where were the buyers? They certainly weren't coming forward with offers some on here think the NYR can get for him.

Yeah, he's probably viewed as a second line winger @ 8 mil. What's that worth?

 

[NickyFotiu]

The league has a dislike for Rick Nash it seems. Right, how the heck did Andrew Laad get a 1st and prospect? I just can't see a team dealing that for Rick even though he should get return that over a guy like Laad.

Teams that think they can win sometimes overpay at the trading deadline. In the offseason GM's are more rational. They will look harder at point production vs salary cap dollar in the offseason

 

[TheGuarantee]

Yeah, he's probably viewed as a second line winger @ 8 mil. What's that worth?

More to us than any other team in the league

 

[wafflepadsave]

More to us than any other team in the league

Absolutely

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, he's probably viewed as a second line winger @ 8 mil. What's that worth?

Nash is pacing 68 points over 82 games.

Find me a team where that is a 2nd line winger. This isn't 1980.

I think the better question is what is a season+of Nash at 5.5 worth?

 

[Mac n Gs]

Fabbri out with an ACL injury. Do the Blues say **** it or do they try to save their season?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Nash is pacing 68 points over 82 games.

Find me a team where that is a 2nd line winger. This isn't 1980.

I think the better question is what is a season+of Nash at 5.5 worth?

I do not think your math is correct. I think he is on a 52-53 point pace if he played all 82 games.

Even if your math was correct at some point teams look at a players actual production not only their pace.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Ladd got a first and a prospect because his cap hit was a fraction of what it was over his entire contract, and the Hawks thought a) he's a rental, no cap headache (from him at least) after the season and b) they had a real shot at winning the cup.

Teams haven't offered (at least not reportedly) that return for Nash because he has another year at 7.8 after this season, if he's still here near the deadline next year, I don't see why we couldn't get the same sort of deal Ladd did from a team that thinks they can win it (which would most likely make the first in the late 20's)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I do not think your math is correct. I think he is on a 52-53 point pace if he played all 82 games.

Even if your math was correct at some point teams look at a players actual production not only their pace.

You are correct, this is why I hate math.

Point stands, hes been good this year and calling him a '2nd line player' is incorrect.


Edit: I'd rather retain and move Zucc. He'd bring back a boatload.

 

[Riche16]

I do not think your math is correct. I think he is on a 52-53 point pace if he played all 82 games.

Even if your math was correct at some point teams look at a players actual production not only their pace.

Especially when said player rarely plays a full season.

 

[SA16]

Saying his "pace" per 82 games and not considering his minutes is a terrible argument considering he is on a team that rolls the lines pretty evenly as opposed to a team like buffalo or nashville who gives their top lines 20 mins a game.

 

[Raspewtin]

Saying his "pace" per 82 games and not considering his minutes is a terrible argument considering he is on a team that rolls the lines pretty evenly as opposed to a team like buffalo or nashville who gives their top lines 20 mins a game.

Or how any normal team treats their star player, for that matter.

 

[SA16]

Or how any normal team treats their star player, for that matter.

Nash in 12-13 (With Torts) 19:58 per game 42 points in 44 games.
Nash with AV:
17:01
17:27
16:56
16:24

Stepan in 12-13 (With Torts) 20:55 per game 44 points in 48 games
Stepan with AV:
18:03
18:11
17:45
18:32

Some coach.

 

[silverfish]

Nash in 12-13 (With Torts) 19:58 per game 42 points in 44 games.
Nash with AV:
17:01
17:27
16:56
16:24

Stepan in 12-13 (With Torts) 20:55 per game 44 points in 48 games
Stepan with AV:
18:03
18:11
17:45
18:32

Some coach.

Is that all situations?

I'm gonna throw up.

 

[Raspewtin]

Nash in 12-13 (With Torts) 19:58 per game 42 points in 44 games.
Nash with AV:
17:01
17:27
16:56
16:24

Exactly. I don't understand it and I never did. AV even did this when we had a less talented group in 2014.

 

[SA16]

Is that all situations?

I'm gonna throw up.

Yea all situations. Nothing makes sense about it. These guys have played big minutes historicaally and produced then he comes in and just drops all the top guys minutes so he can play the bottom lines more often. Same thing with the defense for the most part.

 

[Mikos87]

Nash in 12-13 (With Torts) 19:58 per game 42 points in 44 games.
Nash with AV:
17:01
17:27
16:56
16:24

Stepan in 12-13 (With Torts) 20:55 per game 44 points in 48 games
Stepan with AV:
18:03
18:11
17:45
18:32

Some coach.

He's OCD when it comes to rolling units. He's very good at it, one of the best in the league imo due to this, but at the same time, he doesn't ride his star players.

This hurt him in the shutouts against TB. He wouldn't shorten the bench. Cooper knew, he was laughing about it. Rangers had too many guys dinged up where fatigue would set in, and AV is principally an anti big minute, and most definitely an structured shifts coach.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yea all situations. Nothing makes sense about it. These guys have played big minutes historicaally and produced then he comes in and just drops all the top guys minutes so he can play the bottom lines more often. Same thing with the defense for the most part.

He does it with the D too and that's 10000x worse IMO.

This is the NHL. Your best players need to play as much as possible. Especially with D, you're not doing the team any favors by rolling out an average defenseman the same amount of time as an elite defenseman.

 

[SA16]

He's OCD when it comes to rolling units. He's very good at it, one of the best in the league imo due to this, but at the same time, he doesn't ride his star players.

This hurt him in the shutouts against TB. He wouldn't shorten the bench. Cooper knew, he was laughing about it. Rangers had too many guys dinged up where fatigue would set in, and AV is principally an anti big minute, and most definitely an structured shifts coach.

He coaches like he's the coach of a youth team who promised the parents that their kids would get equal ice time so nobody feels bad.