I'm hoping both Ovechkin and Malkin fulfill their potential for the Caps/Pens. Both franchises need them and it would be great for the league also.
montreal said:Also I don't see how Malkin is ahead of AO, who was one of the younger players I can think of to play for the Senior National Team. AO was great in the WJC's last year, and I've got one game on tape with him in the RSL. Both should turn out to be great players though and I'd be happy to get either one.
Jaded-Fan said:difference between 17 and 18 (almost 19)
the almost 19 year old AO with the 17 going on 18 EM is ridiculous
Mothra said:nice age spin......fact is EM will be 18 before AO turns 19......yet you attempt to twist that for some reason....
if AO is "almost 19"......why isnt EM almost 18?
Jaded-Fan said:'remember AO is a full year almost older than Malkin' . . . umm, what part of that statement was so unclear . . .
there is almost a year of development difference between the two, almost two years between AO and Crosby. If AO was not better head to head against either presently AO is in big trouble . . .
X-SHARKIE said:Redline is just soooooo smart some times.
According to them...the top 10 in 2004 well be like this....Malkin could go #1 over a hybrid player, who has some of the most sick skills and all around play that drawas comparisons to Foppa...... Alexander Radulov well go #3 overall simply because of a dominating tournament....and Robby Schremp wont even touch the top 10 because of what?
Redline lovesss to stir up some talk about them, so i'm not surprised they see Malkin this way.
Malkin could be a very very good hockey player, but if you go to the draft table and think he's neck and neck right now with Ovechkin, then you have completly ignored Ovy..... I think the scouts that say it's dead even, have seen allllottt of Malkin and not much of Ovechkin, Malkin has the skills and play to be a #1 overall pick some years, but not with OVechkin in the same draft.
but the number they go overall argument is moot because in 6 years, for all we know A.J. THelen, or Lauri TUkonen could be better then both or Malkin could be lighting it up, when Ovechkin just couldnt cut it (wont happen)
Ovechkin has soooo much upside to him, and so so little downside....It doesnt get much better then this for a #1 overall selection.
Mothra said:.....but yet your "difference between 17 and 18 (almost 19)" statement makes it sound like its more like 2 years difference......
Jaded-Fan said:And I almost had 'em all fooled . . . curses . . .
Some of you are just looking for red herrings to harpoon . . .
Mothra said:no.....it just gets old seeing people exaggerate the facts when trying to make their case.....which is exactly what you did
Jaded-Fan said:making lame attempts to distort the message within the post
Jaded-Fan said:to compare where Malkin and AO are currently is silly as there is a difference in age,
Jaded-Fan said:The real point of all your posts that I have seen, EroCaps and Foppas as well is AO is G-O-D and heaven help anyone who has anything good to say about anyone else . . . we get it . . .
Jaded-Fan said:And no, I did not stretch any truths to make the point, but if it gives you thrills to think so be my guest . . .
Jaded-Fan said:Not an entirely fair comparison, I am sure that AO vs. Crosby would be a notch in AO's belt at this stage too, Crosby being what, still 16 or just 17? I think that whatever scouts are excited about Malkin and who are using the 'close the gap' talk are projecting, remember AO is a full year almost older than Malkin, and the difference between 17 and 18 (almost 19) could be huge, not only another year of hockey experience under the belt but in growth. It is safe to say that AO has not had the growth spurt in his game that Malkin has in his this past year, that much at least is apparent, and perhaps expected as AO did not have much to grow into. It is also safe to say that Malkin is exceeding expectations, and scouts are projecting out another year for Malkin and expecting similar progress. They may be wrong, how many enter their draft year (or their career post draft) expected to do great things and stagnate disappointing the scouts? It happens every year, but most scouts seem to think that Malkin will continue to progress.
However, to compare the almost 19 year old AO with the 17 going on 18 EM is ridiculous, Malkin is not at that level, what scouts are thinking about is where they think EM will be in a year.
Vlad The Impaler said:I am perfectly calm. And yes, you did say something wrong, IMO. Just pointing out that your argument was weak. Obviously, if we have to wait for prospects to be in the NHL to have an opinion, we might as well shut this place down.
We all know EroCaps by now. It's not going to be hard for you to not pay attention to him or to point out when he's out to lunch (happens daily). But at the same time, you gotta be fair.
If you honestly believe that it is too soon to make a harmless statement such as (quote) "Ev. Malkin could be a better player than Ovechkin, but I wouldn't say it's probable." and that we should wait for them to be in the NHL... then I have to ask, why the hell are you wasting your time at HF?
That's what the site is about, in case you didn't notice.
Mothra said:I dont pretend to have tapes of WJC games....or RSL...or whatever....like others do......
EroCaps said:Vlad, why do you take everything so personally? How many personal jabs are you going to make? What exactly have I said that you disagree with? Who conditioned you to read every one of my posts as snide or derisive? They aren't.
Pens fans are making this redundant, not me.
Chimaera said:I think the age issue is going a little bit too far. Sure, it is one year, but you're looking at draft classes.
If the two players start playing in the same year, they'll both be Rookies at the same time. So their comparison and development will be based upon that. Not so much that there's a 10.5 month age gap between the two of them.
The projection of how they'll fill out, does matter some at this point, but I think you're almost looking at a LeBron/Darko situation. Darko might have more upside, because he's a 7foot plus center, who can shoot a mean jumpshot, but he'll have to learn how to play that position in the NBA, more so then a guy who just goes out and scores. LeBron can come in right away and probably establish himself as an excellent player.
While I don't feel those two parallel each other exactly, I think in the short run (minus the Lemieux deal, who could help a random AHL castoff score 40-50 points in a full year of being on his line) Ovechkin will be the more complete and solid NHL'er. Having more of an impact from the get go. While Malkin, because he still needs to add weight to his frame (which couldn't hurt Ovechkin as well) learn the more power-forward type game that will be required out of a 6-4ish centerman in the Eastern Conference will take a bit longer to master.
Projection wise, it is always tempting to take a Centerman more so then a winger. But we'll see on who turns out better.
<Mr Jiggyfly> said:Again, I wouldn't worry about what Vlad thinks. He is too busy with his little Mario hate fetish to take seriously.
Vlad The Impaler said:The fact I think he has been a subpar owner does not mean I have a hate fetish for Mario.
I fail to see what he has to do with the thread anyway.
Mothra said:but yet your "difference between 17 and 18 (almost 19)" statement makes it sound like its more like 2 years difference......