Player Discussion Rick Nash

[True Blue]

Nash at 4m is a great asset.

$4m for a 20 goal scoring 2nd/3rd line tweener whose offense evaporates in the playoffs?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

$4m for a 20 goal scoring 2nd/3rd line tweener whose offense evaporates in the playoffs?

20 goals is more than Parise, Duchene, Kuznetsov, Schwartz, Landeskog etc but according to you, getting a 20-goal scorer for 4 million is too much.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Nash is a garbage goal scorer at this point. Rarely beats guys one on one anymore and his shot has fallen off significantly. Also has problems staying healthy. I'd rather use his money to cover raises to our younger players.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd take Nash @ 4m for 3 years. I'd also trade him at the deadline for whatever they can get.

In saying that, if the Rangers approach Nash about being moved and he offers to sign a sweeter deal in return for not being traded do they do it? For example if his asking price is $4.5m x 4 and he is willing to take $4m x 3 in return for not being traded, what do you do?

 

[NYR Viper]

Nash is a garbage goal scorer at this point. Rarely beats guys one on one anymore and his shot has fallen off significantly. Also has problems staying healthy. I'd rather use his money to cover raises to our younger players.

He is quite easily one of this teams best 2-way players. The ice is consistently tilted in the Rangers favor when he is out there. He consistently wins pucks and retrieves pucks when the team doesn't have it. He scores ~20g and 20-25a. That's a valuable player.

 

[offdacrossbar]

nash isnt without value at all.

on this team playing primarily 3rd line minutes and pk, and at 4 mil per, he's a solid piece to a very good team. thats @ 50% less $$ for a guy in the 30-40 point range. acceptable.

but for what he gets minutes wise and how much he's paid right now, he's a boat anchor.

 

[Leonardo87]

I’d bring him back for 3.5 ..... he can get more but according to that post article today it sounds like he really wants to stay

Think the Rangers can squeeze around 4 million. Def would be worth that contract. On pace for over 20 goals again, and a .50 PPG clip and a solid two way player.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Nash has turned it around a bit lately. The Rangers need to inflate his trade value. And in doing so, they can't be fooled that he will be a key cog in an "anything can happen" playoff run this season. He must be traded.

 

[McRanger]

Random Nash thoughts/responses

1. The Rangers are not trading Nash if they are in the playoffs, unless its a lateral move a la Gaborik. The Rangers, even more than other organization, like money. Especially playoff money. I am not advocating they keep Nash, but that is likely the reality. The Rangers wont do anything to hurt a potential playoff appearance or run. Any ideas to the contrary is EA Sports wishful thinking.

2. Nash's play hasn't improved at all recently. The puck is just going in. He wasn't going to be shooting 1/3 of his normal shooting percentage the entire season. His shooting percentage is still low but closer to normal and hes now on pace for ~27 goals. Honestly with the amount of in-close chances he's had he should double digit goals already, even with his limp shot.

3. 20 goals is not tweener territory any more. Its 2nd line production and its closer to 1st line than 3rd line. The last 4 years the league has average about 98 20 goal scorers, or about 3 per team. He is also not really a true 20 goal scorer, he just never plays a full season anymore. So what he gives you is going to vary from year to year, perhaps wildly vary depending on his health. It will be contingent on the teams assessment of his health risks, but I would assume Nash is easily worth 4 million a year, if not here then somewhere.

4. Nash has been fine in the playoffs since '14. His post season is as predictable as his regular season; if he is healthy than he produces. If you are really still hung up on the cup run then go back in time and wrap some bubble wrap around his head. I don't know what else to tell you. Either way, assuming he wont produce in the playoffs is nonsensical. He was one of our best players during the '15 run.

5. Nash was never a Crosby/Ovie level player when he was in Columbus but he was an elite scorer. He led the league in goals his sophomore year. He was top 10 in total goals scored during his tenure in CBJ, top 5 when discounting his rookie season. He was both a prolific producer and someone who was entertaining to watch; his goal against Phoenix would probably be the reigning goal of the century if not for Ovie's goal, comically enough also against Phoenix. So as compelling as the "Lulz he sux y peeps no h8 him??" argument is, that's the reason why peeps no h8 him.

 

[Crease]

Trade him at the deadline then see if he'll take a hometown discount on July 1.

 

[Ori]

Yes, it`s probably the safest option @Crease.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Well said @McRanger. But I still don't get the 'limp shot' thing.

 

[mike14]

$4m for a 20 goal scoring 2nd/3rd line tweener whose offense evaporates in the playoffs?

As much as his 13-14 failure will forever haunt me, since then this just isn't true.
From 14-15 until now Nash is 1st on the team in playoff points, tied for 2nd in goals and tied for first in assists.
In per game stats (excluding Diaz and his one game) he's 4th in goals, tied 4th in assists and 3rd in points.
He also leads the team in both overall number and per game shot attempts by a country-mile.

Is that brilliant? No. Would you like more for $7.8m? Yes. But for a '2nd/3rd line tweener', it's pretty good numbers, and if he could produce at similar rate on $4m for 2 years it would be nice deal. If Nash's production evaporates in the playoffs, it's certainly no more than any other player not named Brassard, or potentially Mika

 

[pld459666]

I'd take Nash @ 4m for 3 years. I'd also trade him at the deadline for whatever they can get.

In saying that, if the Rangers approach Nash about being moved and he offers to sign a sweeter deal in return for not being traded do they do it? For example if his asking price is $4.5m x 4 and he is willing to take $4m x 3 in return for not being traded, what do you do?

Trade him. Now

 

[Leonardo87]

I think if Nash keeps playing like this, he has def earned an extension, obviously nowhere close to his current cap hit. But if the Rangers feel they cannot go on a deep playoff run, then trade him at the TDL but explain to him what’s going on and that they would like him back next year. I am sure he’d be willing to go to a contender for a shot at the cup and then come back to NY since he likes it here. If this team is somewhat rebuilding you still want to have some of that veteran presence, and Nash is a good fit with that and his leadership. Not sure if I’m making sense or not. Lol.

 

[haohmaru]

$4m for a 20 goal scoring 2nd/3rd line tweener whose offense evaporates in the playoffs?

Really? This is how you define Nash? Yikes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Really? This is how you define Nash? Yikes.

Sounds more like Hagelin, with that 4m AAV. Aside from the 20 goals. And Nash is better in every way than Hagelin aside from raw speed.

 

[darko]

Think the Rangers can squeeze around 4 million. Def would be worth that contract. On pace for over 20 goals again, and a .50 PPG clip and a solid two way player.

I do think solid 2-way player is a bit of a understatement. Nash is better than solid defensively. I think he's above average / good and a legitimate threat on the rush when PKing.

 

[member 116805]

Sounds more like Hagelin, with that 4m AAV. Aside from the 20 goals. And Nash is better in every way than Hagelin aside from raw speed.

And board work which Nash has zero of. Every time Nash has the puck it's turned over some way or another, either but a weak shot or cause he holds on to it too long and gets stopped
Hags is (was) a superb board worker and perfect for cycling. Nash can't even ride a bike compared to Hags.
I'm no stat guy but I'd love to see their possession numbers compared

 

[Miller Time NYR]

If Gorton is going to nickel and dime Nash like he probably should with raises incoming, I think he'll go elsewhere. He's always been good with the media but there will be more money offered elsewhere with far less media pressure than NY. As long as he's here even on a new contract he'll be graded against what was traded for him and judged like "the guy" he was brought here to be.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was going through some old posts on FB and noticed this one from 2 years ago. Wayne Gretzky was wrong

 

[and 99 others]

the people saying they won't take nash at 4m are completely delusional.

He'll fetch 5-5.5 on the open market if it comes to that

 

[Inferno]

Nash I'll get 6 to 7 mil on the open market...caps going way up

 

[Leonardo87]

the people saying they won't take nash at 4m are completely delusional.

He'll fetch 5-5.5 on the open market if it comes to that

4 million is the minimal I think he will be worth. Not 7 or 8 million anymore, but could very well see around 5 million. He has been very good this season, but you look at a 8 million cap hit people always want more for that kind of cap hit. If we trade him at the TDL, do we lose any chance to get him back next season? I for one hope he stays. I've kinda jumped on the defending Nash bandwagon the last two seasons. lol.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Nash I'll get 6 to 7 mil on the open market...caps going way up

If a team is willing to pay Nash 7 mill a year after his last 4.25 seasons he should grab it and never look back. That would be a huge win for Rick at age 34. Do you think our front office would consider that kind of salary?