Ignore the numbers til you turn blue in the face, if that's what you want. But know this. But when the Red Wings were great - 07-08 Zetterberg 2.54 Datsyuk 2.49 Cleary 2.15 Hudlelr 1.92 Holmstrom 1.62 Samuelsson 1.56 Filppula 1.44 Franze 1.23 Kopeecky 1.07 Maltby .84 Draper .7 08-09 Datsyuk 2.78 Hossa 2.67 Holmstrom 2.15 Franzen 2.08 Hudler 1.98 Zetterberg 1.92 Clearly 1.77 Filppula 1.71 Samuelsson 1.23 Kopecky 1.13 Draoer 1,06 Maltby 1.0 When we were a great team, we scored at 5 on 5. Zetterberg and Abdelkader's production level today is somewhere around Michael Samuelsson. Glendening is aroiund Maltby when the wheels fell off. Athanasiou, Larkin and Mantha, Bertuzzi, and Frk around that Hudler level. If you want to chalk it up to matchups that all five young guys are outproducing the old guys ... well ... Consider that Mantha has spent much of the year with Zetterberg. Consider that AA has basically the same zone starts as Zetterberg. Most of the Quality of comp stats I look at tell me that Zetterberg and Nyquist have easier matchups too, with Glendening and Nielsen getting tougher assignments. Granted - there are other numbers. GF/GA CF/CA The Red Wings youngsters are a mixed bag on these numbers. But all I see from Red Wings fans in this thread is loud support for yet another public criticism of the youngsters -- and very little recognition that it's the veterans - the well paid veterans -- who've failed to live up to their obligations.