Speculation: Realistic return for Devils UFA's

[HugeInTheShire]

Palms: 1st round pick plus C prospect - 2nd round pick plus B prospect
Gusev: 2nd or 3rd round pick plus a prospect
Zajac: 2nd round pick to the Islanders, 5th to anywhere else
Murray: 3rd round draft pick or prospect
Kulikov: 4th round pick or prospect
Dell: 6th round pick

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[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

No one is giving up anything close to a 2nd for Goose
I would be surprised if Palms got a 1st at this rate

otherwise, probably fair. I think you could probably get a 3rd for Kulikov in a regular year, who knows this year. I would still like to keep at least one of Kulikov or Murray.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Palms: 1st round pick plus C prospect - 2nd round pick plus B prospect
Gusev: 2nd or 3rd round pick plus a prospect
Zajac: 2nd round pick to the Islanders, 5th to anywhere else
Murray: 3rd round draft pick or prospect
Kulikov: 4th round pick or prospect
Dell: 6th round pick

I think you underrate the Murray/Kulikov return and overrate the Gusev/Palms return... unless those two turn it around.
Palms: I cannot see us getting a 1st with his struggles. 2nd or solid prospect.
Gusev: 2nd would be a steal. 3rd (or anything) would be gravy
Zajac: 2nd round pick to the Islanders, 5th to anywhere else << NAILED IT maybe a 3rd/4th or change of scenery prospect to non Lou team. Would be a nice 4thline C on a cup team.
Murray: 2nd round draft pick or prospect
Kulikov: 3rd round pick or prospect
Dell: bag of pucks.

 

[Blender]

No one is giving up anything close to a 2nd for Goose
I would be surprised if Palms got a 1st at this rate

otherwise, probably fair. I think you could probably get a 3rd for Kulikov in a regular year, who knows this year. I would still like to keep at least one of Kulikov or Murray.

My concern with Murray is always going to be injuries, but Kulikov has been a solid depth guy for sure. Murray was great before COVID break, has been shaky since.

Of course though, who do we replace these guys with?

 

[Blackjack]

Palms: 1st round pick plus C prospect - 2nd round pick plus B prospect
Gusev: 2nd or 3rd round pick plus a prospect
Zajac: 2nd round pick to the Islanders, 5th to anywhere else
Murray: 3rd round draft pick or prospect
Kulikov: 4th round pick or prospect
Dell: 6th round pick

lol, completely agree.

 

[Brodeur]

At this rate, Palmieri will be closer to Tyler Toffoli's return (Tyler Madden + 2nd rounder). Calgary could use Palmieri but their first is still a potential lottery pick at this point which wouldn't make sense to give up for a rental. Maybe you can convince a team to give a conditional 2nd rounder that would be upgraded to a 1st if they make the final four (the first would then be bumped to the end of the first round). Dallas has done that a couple of times with Eaves/Anaheim and Jagr/Boston.

I don't see too many playoff teams which would use Gusev in a top six role, so I'm not expecting his value to be too high barring a resurgence heading into the deadline. One idea I was kicking in my head was Gusev to Florida for Brett Connolly + pick(s), but realistically the pick(s) would be sweetener to take Connolly's remaining contract.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

No one is giving up anything close to a 2nd for Goose
I would be surprised if Palms got a 1st at this rate

otherwise, probably fair. I think you could probably get a 3rd for Kulikov in a regular year, who knows this year. I would still like to keep at least one of Kulikov or Murray.

Straight up? Maybe not.

But, if we got creative, I could see it. I’m specifically thinking about Florida—Gusev might be viewed as an upgrade for the Barkov line, and if we agreed to take on Connolly (didn’t you bring that up recently?), I could see us getting a pretty sweet pick out of it.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Palmieri is very unlikely to get a first round pick unless he plays better and a team really wants him. I doubt many teams will be very interested in Gusev. Murray’s value could depend a lot on how he plays from now until the trade deadline.

Palmieri- 2nd round pick+later pick
Gusev- 4th round pick(3rd at best if play improves)
Murray- 3rd or 4th round pick
Kulikov- 4th or 5th round pick
Vatanen- 5th or later pick
Dell- 5th or later

Zajac is extremely unlikely to be traded as he has a no-trade clause he is unlikely to waive. He didn’t want to waive it last year.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Zajac is extremely unlikely to be traded as he has a no-trade clause he is unlikely to waive. He didn’t want to waive it last year.

While this is true about last year, its a big difference between being with a team for an extra year vs only being with a new team for a few weeks/months

given how he has played since the Covid return, would be shocked if he returned anything of any value (outside of from NYI and Lou)

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Palmieri is very unlikely to get a first round pick unless he plays better and a team really wants him. I doubt many teams will be very interested in Gusev. Murray’s value could depend a lot on how he plays from now until the trade deadline.

Palmieri- 2nd round pick+later pick
Gusev- 4th round pick(3rd at best if play improves)
Murray- 3rd or 4th round pick
Kulikov- 4th or 5th round pick
Vatanen- 5th or later pick
Dell- 5th or later

Zajac is extremely unlikely to be traded as he has a no-trade clause he is unlikely to waive. He didn’t want to waive it last year.

I see what you're saying but I think teams will pony up for Palmieri based on reputation, I think he was Coleman return but has played himself into a Toffoli... I do see him as probably the best available UFA out there though

 

[AfroThunder396]

This deadline is going to be weird. I don't think any Canadian team is going to trade for a player on an American team, or vice versa, knowing that they'll have to sit on their ass and quarantine for two weeks before playing a single game. The cap is also in a weird spot. I really don't think there will be that many buyers this year.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Gonna be weird, I think draft picks are devalued this deadline cause of the draft being so odd and contracts will matter a ton. Expect the devils to have to retain 50% on any one year deal they trade (up to 3).

Palms: 2nd rounder and B- prospect.
Gusev: no trade value, he's too slow and isn't scoring.
Zajac: 3rd rounder to a desperate team looking for a center
Murray: 3rd
Kulikov: 5th
Vatanen: 5th
Dell: 4th round pick

I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Dell 50% retained by NJ, 2nd team 25% retained, 3rd team gets him 25% retained for two late picks.

The only real question is if they get big offers for Wood/Zacha what would Fitz do? I think he'd reject them but if the Devils retain 50% on either of those guys I'd expect a 1st+ offer.

 

[Billdo]

I kinda still want them to give Palmieri an extension. Kulikov should be signed to IMO.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I'd be down to re-sign Palmieri but I'd rather keep Murray over Kulikov on a short term deal

 

[AfroThunder396]

I hope Murray knows that no one is going to give him a long term deal knowing he has chronic back issues.

If we could bring him back 2-3 years on a 4-5M deal I'd do it easily.

 

[Billdo]

If we could bring him back 2-3 years on a 4-5M deal I'd do it easily.

Most players aren't getting 6-7 years at this point. I'd do that deal real quick for him though for sure. I'd try to sign him and Kulikov. Gusev can kick rocks and if Zajac agrees to go, which I doubt he will) I'd move him. He's the kind of guy teams (Islanders) would covet at the deadline.

 

[JimEIV]

I don't think anything involving Zajac is realistic...Between his age, performance and No-Trade...I think moving him is next to impossible.

 

[RangerDoggo]

I don't think anything involving Zajac is realistic...Between his age, performance and No-Trade...I think moving him is next to impossible.

Hey, we got Lou to bite on Andy Greene.

 

[Darkauron]

Lou will 100% trade for Zajac if zajac is willing to move

 

[None Shall Pass]

I'd rather extend Palms, Zajac (He was great pre-Covid), Murray and Kulikov than trade them, unless we can pull another Sami special and have them re-sign here post-trade anyway. Get whatever you can for Goose and Vatanen. Keep Dell so we don't have to run Blackwood into the ground; that's worth more than a 5th rounder anyway.

 

[glenwo2]

Palms: 1st round pick plus C prospect - 2nd round pick plus B prospect
Gusev: 2nd or 3rd round pick plus a prospect
Zajac: 2nd round pick to the Islanders, 5th to anywhere else
Murray: 3rd round draft pick or prospect
Kulikov: 4th round pick or prospect
Dell: 6th round pick

If someone gave a 2nd for Goose, I might have to find out if Chiarelli was re-hired somewhere.

 

[JimEIV]

Hey, we got Lou to bite on Andy Greene.

Maybe, you never know...But I doubt it.

Barzal - Nelson - Pageau and Cizikas down the middle where is there room for Zajac?

All are significantly outperforming Zajac too

 

[Guttersniped]

The NYI were reportedly interested in Zajac before the Pageau trade and because of that trade (and Cizikas) they don’t need a bottom six center at all. The Isles definitely need a defenseman, losing Toews has been tough on them and they have zero defensive depth beyond their top six. And they could use a winger, the dream being a top scoring one but a two-way one with some scoring punch for the third line would also help.

And FYI we can’t trade Dell, he we would go back to Toronto or to any team that also put claim in for him before we could trade him to someone else.

This is a tough market to predict, it depends on which teams are actively buying. There’s not a lot obvious traditional contenders buying: Boston, Toronto (hey, they’re dominating the Scotia North)? Will Colorado buy? St Louis? Maybe fringier teams like Minny or Florida?

I don’t agree at all that Canadian-US trades won’t happen, they just have to wait out the delays. It’s not like teams make hockey trades where they swap roster players at the TDL. If they can get a better deal, or a better player, from across the border then it’s worth it rather than limiting themselves.

The Athletic just reported that sources are now saying the 2021 draft isn’t going to be delayed and will be held in July. Teams aren’t going too unwilling to part with 2021 picks, though I guess maybe some teams might potentially need picks to bribe Seattle.

 

[My3Sons]

With so little cap space around the league it’s hard to see much in the way of trades that don’t involve bad salary coming back which makes it tricky.

 

[nugg]

If someone gave a 2nd for Goose, I might have to find out if Chiarelli was re-hired somewhere.

It's sad how before the season I would've expected a first!