Confirmed with Link: Rangers Sign Kevin Shattenkirk: (4 years x $6.65M)

[NYR]

People should be able to disagree respectfully. I agree with you in that regard. I'm also not in the show me an alternative stat to prove your point crowd. There have been plenty of times I have laughed at those stats/charts. I do understand your concerns on defense but at the very least he is a little better than the 2016-2017 versions of Girardi/Klein defensively and much better offensively so we should be optimistic about those improvements.

Agreed but at the same time they also lost a lot of defence with the holes in center now.
I also think that if they're going to commit to playing the speed game, they need to get rid of Staal and Holden.
If you're going to commit to something there's no point in half assing it.

 

[Machinehead]

Never seen it

Sort of like Shattenkirk

 

[NickyFotiu]

Agreed but at the same time they also lost a lot of defence with the holes in center now.
I also think that if they're going to commit to playing the speed game, they need to get rid of Staal and Holden.
If you're going to commit to something there's no point in half assing it.

It would be great if we could do everything all at once but even the best teams have weaknesses. We have to hope we are moving in the right direction. I do believe either Staal or Holden will be gone in 2017-18.

 

[NYR]

Sort of like Shattenkirk

Haha
Don't kid yourself. I'm well in tune to Shattenkirk's game

Pancakes? Lol

 

[mas0764]

I could live with that.

What I don't like is that just because people's opinions vary especially when 2 different generations are talking, if you disagree over something you become the idiot around here.

It's very childish but I guess I should blame myself as well for allowing myself to get sucked into the nonsense.
I guess I'm still passionate about my team.
What could I say lol

You could and should say that you let your passions get the best of you in this debate and it caused you to say some things that were for lack of a better word, hyperbole.

You being able to "live with that" when someone says he's not a Norris trophy winner but he's also the 2nd best defenseman we've had in some time, is a MUCH different stance from you saying he sucks on defense.

The former position, no one would have blinked an eye at.

The latter position caused everyone to dogpile you because it's so blatantly and proveably untrue.

 

[RangerBoy]

“I’m not sold on it, to be honest,†said NHL Insider Darren Dreger when asked the question Tuesday morning on Edmonton’s TSN 1260. “I think, with respect to Shattenkirk, the market just kind of – it collapsed around him.

“I remember a couple of months ago taking some heat for reporting what teams were telling me. They didn’t see him as a long term sign as an unrestricted free agent at $7 million. And I’m sure that Shattenkirk, going into last season, was hoping on free agency that absolutely he’d hit the mother lode on a term that would be six or seven years and a cap number that would be closer to 7 than to $6 million. Well, that didn’t materialize for him.

“And yes, the New Jersey Devils were in there. Tampa Bay was in there for a time. The New York Rangers, frankly, dabbled – but did so persistently. But they had a number, particularly in years, that they weren’t going to exceed. So I think this is a real shrewd good move by Jeff Gorton, the general manager of the Rangers, to just stick to his guns.

“And in the end, he got a real good player. Kevin Shattenkirk is a good player. But everybody has to appreciate, and I know New York does, what he is. For the New York Rangers, he’ll probably be a second-pairing guy who is a specialist on the power play. He still needs to be better in those areas than he was after being traded, but we’ll see.

“It was a shrewd signing in getting Shattenkirk and his group to come back to a term that the Rangers were comfortable with.â€

https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/dreger-mother-lode-contract-not-materialize-shattenkirk/

The Rangers also have the flexibility to trade Shattenkirk. Too bad Gorton wasn't the GM when Sather gave out the Girardi and Staal contracts. Too bad for Shattenkirk that Sather isn't still GM. Slats would have met his number.

 

[NYR]

You could and should say that you let your passions get the best of you in this debate and it caused you to say some things that were for lack of a better word, hyperbole.

You being able to "live with that" when someone says he's not a Norris trophy winner but he's also the 2nd best defenseman we've had in some time, is a MUCH different stance from you saying he sucks on defense.

The former position, no one would have blinked an eye at.

The latter position caused everyone to dogpile you because it's so blatantly and proveably untrue.

Enough already bcuz quite honestly, other than posting a stat sheet you haven't proven ****.

Him being the 2nd best on the team says all you need to know about the rest of the D core other than Skjei.

RB just posted a nice article for you though.

Enjoy

 

[mas0764]

I see in that article he's called a really good player.

 

[True Blue]

“And in the end, he got a real good player. Kevin Shattenkirk is a good player. But everybody has to appreciate, and I know New York does, what he is. For the New York Rangers, he’ll probably be a second-pairing guy who is a specialist on the power play. He still needs to be better in those areas than he was after being traded, but we’ll see.

I do not necessarily disagree with this. Which is what makes me fearful of expectations. This is not the second coming of Leetch or Zubov. This is a second pairing defenseman who is also really good on the power play. Both the Blues and the Caps stayed away from him playing against top players. The term "sheltered" has been used.

Now he is coming in as the presumptive partner to McD (though with AV who knows? Watch, it will wind up being Holden) and will have to play defense against the oppositions top players. There is much more to being a good defensive player than having a good Corsi rating.

Can he step up and be that player? I do not know. I certainly hope so. But doubts remain. But that is certainly the expectation of him. We shall see.

The other question is will AV utilize him properly on the PP. We know that the obvious answer should be, but with AV there are doubts in play.

 

[Levitate]

I do not necessarily disagree with this. Which is what makes me fearful of expectations. This is not the second coming of Leetch or Zubov. This is a second pairing defenseman who is also really good on the power play. Both the Blues and the Caps stayed away from him playing against top players. The term "sheltered" has been used.

No one at all has been thinking he's the next Leetch or Zubov. We do know he's one of the better point producing defensemen in the league but we know he's not a hall of famer type.

He also hasn't been as sheltered as people keep trying to say.

Now he is coming in as the presumptive partner to McD (though with AV who knows? Watch, it will wind up being Holden) and will have to play defense against the oppositions top players. There is much more to being a good defensive player than having a good Corsi rating.

Can he step up and be that player? I do not know. I certainly hope so. But doubts remain. But that is certainly the expectation of him. We shall see.

The other question is will AV utilize him properly on the PP. We know that the obvious answer should be, but with AV there are doubts in play.

Most people are being pretty realistic about Shattenkirk not being the most stout pure defensive player but he's been very effective throughout his career so I think people need to not swing too far the other way in dismissing what he's been able to do while not being picture perfect defensively.

 

[offdacrossbar]

i think the defensive shortcomings thing is slightly over done.

hes more than adequate. i do worry about the work load and the top line matchups that 27 regularly sees.

keep in mind, shatty played on the blues pk for years. he isnt a slug defensively.

his offense should more than pay for his defensive holes.

 

[Levitate]

I think people also kind of get caught up in "oh no tough competition that means he's gotta be able to defend well because he'll be defending all the time!" when the better way to go about it is to make the other team defend when their best players are on the ice

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

McDonagh is good enough that he can make a "second pairing guy" look like a legitimate first pairing guy.

I'd say it will be easy on him considering he was playing the first pairing with a partner who was an AHL level guy.

 

[Edge]

I don't know about you guys, but I'll be surprised if he's paired with McD.

Something tells me the Rangers look to spread them out a little.

Really depends on who claims the 6/7 and spots.

 

[Levitate]

I don't know about you guys, but I'll be surprised if he's paired with McD.

Something tells me the Rangers look to spread them out a little.

Really depends on who claims the 6/7 and spots.

Currently I'm just not sure who would be better to play with McDonagh. Smith? He can probably do an alright job but he played well with Skjei and that breakup makes me a little wary. On the other hand Shattenkirk could play well with Skjei too.

I could see things getting mixed up depending on what the situation is.

As long as it's not Holden or something

 

[Thirty One]

Currently I'm just not sure who would be better to play with McDonagh. Smith? He can probably do an alright job but he played well with Skjei and that breakup makes me a little wary. On the other hand Shattenkirk could play well with Skjei too.

I could see things getting mixed up depending on what the situation is.

As long as it's not Holden or something

Honestly, if I had to place a bet now, it would be Staal. He was the guy that AV seemed to prefer late in the season when Girardi was out.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Honestly, if I had to place a bet now, it would be Staal. He was the guy that AV seemed to prefer late in the season when Girardi was out.

That would be utterly insane and the worst possible option.

So I fully expect AV to do it.

 

[offdacrossbar]

i see this

27/42
76/22
18/77
bereglazov

holden gone
klein retires

27/42 just makes sense. smith seems capable of handling that defensive shut down role. offensively, he really doesnt offer what 22 and 77 can do. rather he play defense.

brady has the skills to play a defensive role first and the wheels to cover for shatty taking it deep. shatty has the smarts to reciprocate. seems like a logical pair thus AV won't do this.

76/42 looked great together last year so that means AV will break them up.

any pair with 18 on it is gonna struggle. atleast 77 and his river boat gambler ways will perhaps force staal to hang back, never touch the puck and not cross the blue line. maybe then he can be adequate.

with staal being so inept, i fully expect him to play alot of heavy minutes.

AV gonna AV

 

[Captain Lindy]

That would be utterly insane and the worst possible option.

So I fully expect AV to do it.

If he does, he'll be fired. AV will be gone by Christmas. Maybe even Thanksgiving.

 

[True Blue]

Really depends on who claims the 6/7 and spots.

People are writing of Holden way to quickly. Clearly AV liked him. That may be your #6. Or even #2, seeing as how things played out last year.

 

[True Blue]

I think people also kind of get caught up in "oh no tough competition that means he's gotta be able to defend well because he'll be defending all the time!" when the better way to go about it is to make the other team defend when their best players are on the ice

Maybe. But it did see that both the Blues & Caps did not really want him on the ice in situations where sound defensive play is required. Maybe I am overblowing it. I certainly hope so. But also maybe there is something to it, given how they both treated him.

 

[Hire Sather]

Holden is perfect as a 6/7th defenseman

 

[aufheben]

Two points:

1) There is a big difference between being average, weak, and actually bad. McDonagh makes boneheaded plays all the time. You could count the # of defenders (Tanev) who play generally mistake-free hockey on one hand, and vice versa the defenders (Nurse? lol) who do nothing but make mistakes.

2) Whatever he is defensively, what matters most is his impact on the team. Shattenkirk's career has been one giant positive impact. Also a rarity. I'm fully expecting, like, half the fanbase (not HF) to sour on him before even Halloween; the reputation of "offensive-defenseman" is not a kind one. Even the title is an oxymoronic. People still called Karlsson a 4th forward even a few months ago.

 

[Fugazy]

Holden is perfect as a 6/7th defenseman

Perfect depth player. I think a Holden trade could benefit this team, but I certainly wouldn't force a trade just to create some cap room.

 

[Ori]

So excited for this signing he will replace Ryan Mc. on PP at least the first PP unit, and it can`t fail with shattenkirk!

I`ve still nightmare about Dan Boyle almost two years since he retired! And he was suppose to fix our PP!