Rumor: Rangers One of Many to Extend a Tryout to Ryan Malone

[Gardner McKay]

Better him on the fourth line than Glass I guess.

Marek Malik would be a better option than Tanner Glass.

 

[BlueHavok]

Marek Malik would be a better option than Tanner Glass.

I don't get the Glass hate I keep reading about...My personal take...he was signed on UFA-Day...peeps were disappointed that it wasn't a jaw dropping name while refreshing feeds, hungry for updates...some crap talk got started, snowballed...and there you have it.

Terms? ok...maybe you don't like the $$ or length...I hear ya...but this guy is a fourth line grinder...I don't get it. I don't think 90% of the smack talkers have any clue what his guy brings...

Neither do I...but I'm not bashing him.....yet.

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't get the Glass hate I keep reading about...My personal take...he was signed on UFA-Day...peeps were disappointed that it wasn't a jaw dropping name while refreshing feeds, hungry for updates...some crap talk got started, snowballed...and there you have it.

Terms? ok...maybe you don't like the $$ or length...I hear ya...but this a guy that's I grinder...I don't get it. I don't think 90% of the smack talkers have any clue what his guy brings...

Neither do I...but I'm not bashing him.....yet.

Advanced statistics seem to indicate that he's the least effective player in the league.

 

[Thirty One]

The case against Glass:
- He is consistently, over three different teams with many sets of linemates, at the bottom of the league in terms of puck possession.

The case for Glass:
- He hasn't even played a game for the Rangers yet.

 

[BlueHavok]

Advanced statistics seem to indicate that he's the least effective player in the league.

least effective....how? He's on a new team now...different players surrounding him...does that get computed? PS...that whole A.S. science is realy facinating stuff..makes for interesting reads

 

[BlueHavok]

The case against Glass:
- He is consistently, over three different teams with many sets of linemates, at the bottom of the league in terms of puck possession.

The case for Glass:
- He hasn't even played a game for the Rangers yet.

As per Wiki:

Glass has established himself as primarily a fourth-line forward in the NHL. His work ethic makes him effective at blocking shots. A physical and aggressive player, he is also known to be a fighter.He has also been identified as a leader on his teams....

PK specialists tend to have low puck possesion stats...no?

 

[Tawnos]

The case against Glass:
- He is consistently, over three different teams with many sets of linemates, at the bottom of the league in terms of puck possession.

The case for Glass:
- He hasn't even played a game for the Rangers yet.

Yeah, pretty much. You might want to also acknowledge that, for some of us, puck possession isn't the be-all/end-all of player effectiveness. We will see. I'm not holding my breath. I'm also not letting his puck possession stats influence my expectation of what we are going to see from him on the ice. (To be clear, I don't have any expectations either way)

 

[Thirty One]

least effective....how? He's on a new team now...different players surrounding him...does that get computed?

2010-11 with Vancouver: 531 out of 537 in CF%
2011-12 with Winnipeg: 523 out of 531
2013-14 with Pittsburgh: 544 out of 546

Probably just needs a change of scenery though.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

2010-11 with Vancouver: 531 out of 537 in CF%
2011-12 with Winnipeg: 523 out of 531
2013-14 with Pittsburgh: 544 out of 546

Probably just needs a change of scenery though.

I imagine that if Malone makes the team that Glass will be replaced in place of Lombardi or Lindberg.

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, pretty much. You might want to also acknowledge that, for some of us, puck possession isn't the be-all/end-all of player effectiveness.

It isn't for anyone.

If you don't like puck possession numbers: since he came into the league, Glass' teams have scored 40.2% of the goals when he is on the ice at 5-on-5. Five players out of 525 are lower than that.

 

[SA16]

It isn't for anyone.

If you don't like puck possession numbers: since he came into the league, Glass' teams have scored 40.2% of the goals when he is on the ice at 5-on-5. Five players out of 525 are lower than that.

Who are the five?

 

[Thirty One]

Who are the five?

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...000&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Make that six. Stephane Veilleux, Craig Adams, Todd Marchant, Adam Hall, Nate Thompson and Tim Jackman.

 

[Tawnos]

It isn't for anyone.

If you don't like puck possession numbers: since he came into the league, Glass' teams have scored 40.2% of the goals when he is on the ice at 5-on-5. Five players out of 525 are lower than that.

Bull. It's like 3 posts up from yours where someone whose opinion I respect greatly says that his adv stats "indicate he's the least effective player in the league." May or may not have been serious, but plenty of people all-in on the stats definitely believe that, even if you yourself don't.

Anyway, what could those numbers possibly matter in the context of him playing on this team with Moore and whoever plays the other wing? I mean, Craig Adams had worse numbers in that category than Glass did last year. One year, Ryan Kesler had worse numbers. So what?

 

[Thirty One]

Bull. It's like 3 posts up from yours where someone whose opinion I respect greatly says that his adv stats "indicate he's the least effective player in the league." May or may not have been serious, but plenty of people all-in on the stats definitely believe that, even if you yourself don't.

I have yet to encounter someone who does, but next time you do, be sure to point him out to me!

Anyway, what could those numbers possibly matter in the context of him playing on this team with Moore and whoever plays the other wing? I mean, Craig Adams had worse numbers in that category than Glass did last year. One year, Ryan Kesler had worse numbers. So what?

Well either:

1.) Glass is the unluckiest player in the league, and he's dragged down to the bottom of the league by his linemates (a different set) year after year; OR

2.) There's something about him that has a negative effect on the team when he's on the ice that causes the results we're seeing. How would that not be relevant here?

 

[Thirty One]

Glass' top linemates' CF% the season before and after playing with him:

I think it's him.

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm willing to admit I don't fully understand advanced statistics in hockey. I was an early adopter with baseball, but I haven't yet done my homework on all the hockey stuff.

I admit the advanced statistics paint an ugly picture of Glass, from what people say. I'll give him a chance though. Not holding my breath for anything special, but I'll give the guy a chance before I go labeling him the worst regular in the league.

 

[slipknottin]

Glass' top linemates' CF% the season before and after playing with him:

I think it's him.

Though it seems he turned them all into better players going forward

 

[Tawnos]

I have yet to encounter someone who does, but next time you do, be sure to point him out to me!

Zil.

Well either:

1.) Glass is the unluckiest player in the league, and he's dragged down to the bottom of the league by his linemates (a different set) year after year; OR

2.) There's something about him that has a negative effect on the team when he's on the ice that causes the results we're seeing. How would that not be relevant here?

Or 3.) The stat doesn't do as good of a job telling you what it's intended to tell you.

I mean, look at the players in the bottom 20 of leaguewide forwards in CF% over that span of time. Todd Marchant? Jay McClement? Brandon Sutter? Greg Campbell? Kyle Brodziak? These aren't bad players. They aren't players who have a negative effect on their teams. I wasn't picking out just a few. I count 4 or 5 players in that list who I would actually consider bad hockey players. Mostly, they are players who are asked to fill specific roles having to do with the type of play that just won't garner you good possession stats.

Over the last 3 years, he's 197th of 298 in GA20 in 4-on-5 situations. Over the last two, he's 130th of 248 in GA20. Last year, he was 129th of 185. So, basically he's an adequate, middle of the road PKer. I would've liked a better PKer for that particular contract, but at least he's capable.

So we'll see what he brings. It'll be an interesting camp and early part of the year, one way or the other.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

least effective....how? He's on a new team now...different players surrounding him...does that get computed? PS...that whole A.S. science is realy facinating stuff..makes for interesting reads

[Mod]

Of course I was upset about the term/cap hit, but that was before everything shook out and we managed to assemble a good roster regardless... still, you've gotta think Lee Stempniak loses some sleep on payday, with Glass in the bunk above him.

At the end of the day, dude's making $4.5 in three years tops How much will you make by analyzing CORSI charts for the same time?

 

[E-Train]

I mean, look at the players in the bottom 20 of leaguewide forwards in CF% over that span of time. Todd Marchant? Jay McClement? Brandon Sutter? Greg Campbell? Kyle Brodziak? These aren't bad players. They aren't players who have a negative effect on their teams. I wasn't picking out just a few. I count 4 or 5 players in that list who I would actually consider bad hockey players. Mostly, they are players who are asked to fill specific roles having to do with the type of play that just won't garner you good possession stats.

Over the last 3 years, he's 197th of 298 in GA20 in 4-on-5 situations. Over the last two, he's 130th of 248 in GA20. Last year, he was 129th of 185. So, basically he's an adequate, middle of the road PKer. I would've liked a better PKer for that particular contract, but at least he's capable.

So we'll see what he brings. It'll be an interesting camp and early part of the year, one way or the other.

Good post. These players listed aren't bad players. The Glass contract was unnecessarily stupid, but at least for this year, he and Lombardi can be a good 4th line platoon depending on the opponent.

 

[Zil]

Zil.

Yeah, I've never made an argument based on non-possession stats like points/60 or QoC. Nope. It's just corsi for me. That's why you hear me talking about how Dwight King is better than Crosby all the time.

Because obviously I believe this list: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...750&teamid=0&type=corsi&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Trumps this list: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...rs&minutes=750&disp=1&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

Yep, Dwight King's better than Crosby. I totally believe that. No sarcasm here. None.

[Mod]

 

[Fletch]

[Mod]

Of course I was upset about the term/cap hit, but that was before everything shook out and we managed to assemble a good roster regardless... still, you've gotta think Lee Stempniak loses some sleep on payday, with Glass in the bunk above him.

At the end of the day, dude's making $4.5 in three years tops How much will you make by analyzing CORSI charts for the same time?

I don't know how you could be upset about the term/cap hit of a signing then be OK about it later when the team came together. It's still the same player, term and cap hit, isn't it? Other things did not workout because of the Glass signing; it was not related to the Glass signing. I do not know what you wanted or would be happy with regarding term/cap hit, or if you wanted Glass, but I'd think that having more space under the cap would be good in any situation, no matter what the team looked like.

 

[Badko]

[/QUOTE]So your argument is that we can't criticize Glass because he's making more money than us? By that logic no one can ever question any move a gm makes ever because the same thing is true for every player in the league for either everyone or almost everyone on this board.[/QUOTE]

His point is that the "worst" hockey player in the NHL probably makes more money than the best corsi analyst.

I respect that opinions are shared on these boards, but the disrespect for Glass is amazing. Can we give him 20 games or so before we boo him out of the Garden?

 

[Ail]

Tanner Glass sucks.


Thanks.

 

[NYR Viper]

Love the attitude he has. The guy would do anything to make a team. He even says so.