Pro-Benning Crowd: What Counts As Failure Next Year

What would cause you to lose faith in Jim Benning in 2018-2019?


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vancityluongo

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Jim Benning is basically a money manager who loses money every year but still has investors because he's somehow managed to convince people that he has some supernatural ability to pick stocks because he hasn't literally gotten every single one of them wrong.

Sort of. The analogy is apt, but at the rate Benning is bleeding franchise value, he would've been prosecuted if he did the same thing at a pension fund.

"But we have shares of Amazon in the portfolio!"
 

tantalum

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The thing is they could have cut payroll, actually truly rebuild (not pay lip service to it but in reality think they are a playoff team), and achieve the same results...however you’d be protecting the cash flow of the franchise and thus protecting franchise value.

Instead they did it about as wrong as you can.
 

justafan22

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Really decent chance they're going to finish with 3 bottom 5 finishes in 3 seasons and the gm gets an extension. WTF
 

RandV

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Is that your argument though? The real question is whether he makes the team on merit. He is competing with Del Zotto, Hutton, and Pouliot on the left side with any changes? There is a spot for him if you want him on the team and outside of spectacular performance you can easily send him down to the AHL. On a rebuilding team, if he's anything close to one of those three guys and you think his development would be fine in the NHL then you keep him.

It will be interesting to see the balance of Linden/Benning wanting to have all these hot shot kids on the pro team for marketing purposes vs the kids actually being good enough to supplant the glut of vets currently under contract vs if they don't make it getting them to report to Utica instead of back to Europe if they don't make it.

Considering the current team makeup the proper way to do things going forward would be to have Pettersson, Gaudette, Dahlin, Lind, Gadjovich, Juolevi, etc, join Demko and all report to Utica (unless someone proves exceptional), let the Canucks tank then sell like crazy at the deadline and bring up the best of the bunch to finish the NHL season. This would actually be what Toronto did the other season, which was nothing like we actually accomplished this year, but consider me highly sceptical that Benning could actually pull it off.
 

me2

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The thing is they could have cut payroll, actually truly rebuild (not pay lip service to it but in reality think they are a playoff team), and achieve the same results...however you’d be protecting the cash flow of the franchise and thus protecting franchise value.

Instead they did it about as wrong as you can.
They could have done that and meant it. Instead Jim's been trading away his 1sts or trying to. He's moved or tried to move 2014 (McCann), 2015 (Boeser) and 2016 (Joulevi) along with extras to get shortcuts Lucic, Gudbranson and Subban. Subban is a very good player, but 29 in May and this team would be looking to move him because he's starting to out-age the next core, he'd also damn the tank so no Pettersson.

Rebuilding the right way, through trading 1sts for vets.....
 

Captain Bowie

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They could have done that and meant it. Instead Jim's been trading away his 1sts or trying to. He's moved or tried to move 2014 (McCann), 2015 (Boeser) and 2016 (Joulevi) along with extras to get shortcuts Lucic, Gudbranson and Subban. Subban is a very good player, but 29 in May and this team would be looking to move him because he's starting to out-age the next core, he'd also damn the tank so no Pettersson.

Rebuilding the right way, through trading 1sts for vets.....

When?
 

adamzilla

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If we still haven't fired Linden and Benning by the end of next year, that counts as failure.

If Aquilini then doesn't hire someone competent who believes in analytics instead of his fat ass gut, then that's a failure.

This management group is depressing af, they can literally do nothing and I'd be happier than anything they could possibly come up with.
 

Mergatroidskittle

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The thing is they could have cut payroll, actually truly rebuild (not pay lip service to it but in reality think they are a playoff team), and achieve the same results...however you’d be protecting the cash flow of the franchise and thus protecting franchise value.

Instead they did it about as wrong as you can.
Jesus is this your money getting spent?!? You seem to post like it’s getting taken right out of your bank account
 

me2

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LA offered 13th overall in 2015, Jones and Miller for Lucic, what do think Benning was offering in competition to that? A 3rd rounder?

Put yourself in jumbos shoes, you just put up 101 points, promised better teams every year and competing not rebuilding, you got outmuscled by the flames and you mancrush just came on the market. A late first is nothing compared to 240lb of raging bull.

Transport yourself back to 2015 and it isn't hard to see his fans praising him for making that deal.
 
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tantalum

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Jesus is this your money getting spent?!? You seem to post like it’s getting taken right out of your bank account

Guess what happens when companies start to lose money or have reduced profits? That’s right, eventually the piper has to be paid and when it comes to a sports team I cheer for I prefer the piper not have to be paid when the players on an upswing have to be. So yes the most prudent an intelligent thing to do would have been to reduce payroll, suffer the same results but keep the piper fed with coin during the process.
 

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