Rumor: Powers: Bhawks efforts to improve their defense

[AmericanDream]

you also have to look at what got Hextall fired in Philly- he had a reluctance to trade young assets away for proven players to make a push and did not want to stray from a bigger picture. Bowman has to have some internal pressure that this season is the turn around year, time to enter back into the playoffs with a legit contending team. where is an area he can make a move or two that would help do that?? not hard to figure out if a trade is made, what position he likely makes it from. Kelley himself said "we are not necessarily drafting all these players to be Blackhawks"...meaning you draft the BPA and then move assets as you see fit to help the team and organization. that doesn't mean I am condoning trading Boqvist or anyone or that the Hawks have soured on any of them, just don't be shocked if we see a big move or two here over the next year.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Mitchell is the best D prospect in the system.

Is this just another one of your bits, or do you truly believe this?

 

[clydesdale line]

Is this just another one of your bits, or do you truly believe this?

No he does. He's wrong... but good luck convincing him otherwise.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Is this just another one of your bits, or do you truly believe this?

Is it really that out of the realm? He was picked what 15-20 picks after Jokiharju?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Is it really that out of the realm? He was picked what 15-20 picks after Jokiharju?

Boqvist is so much better it isn't even funny.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Is this just another one of your bits, or do you truly believe this?

If Boqvist hits his"ceilinig", fine he's the best prospect in the system. Will he hit that? Seems to be a lot of question marks. He might only end up being as good as someone like Will Butcher.

Ian Mitchell on the other hand will hit his ceiling. I like the certainty that he will be a top 4 defender. I'm not a fan of boom/bust types.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

you also have to look at what got Hextall fired in Philly- he had a reluctance to trade young assets away for proven players to make a push and did not want to stray from a bigger picture. Bowman has to have some internal pressure that this season is the turn around year, time to enter back into the playoffs with a legit contending team. where is an area he can make a move or two that would help do that?? not hard to figure out if a trade is made, what position he likely makes it from. Kelley himself said "we are not necessarily drafting all these players to be Blackhawks"...meaning you draft the BPA and then move assets as you see fit to help the team and organization. that doesn't mean I am condoning trading Boqvist or anyone or that the Hawks have soured on any of them, just don't be shocked if we see a big move or two here over the next year.

Right, so it’s reasonable to conclude that at least one of the “big 4” defenseman prospects will get traded and never wear a Hawks sweater.

What I don’t understand is why some people are starting with Boqvist as the guy who could go.

It just smells like an agenda-driven thing.

As BWC said (weird I’m siding with him here, but I think he’s right) you start with trading guys like Krys or Mitchell, not Boqvist or Jokiharju.

 

[Kevin Musto]

you start with trading guys like Krys or Mitchell

That would be a bad idea.

Krys doesn't even have any value outside the organization right now so all you'd be doing is selling extremely low. If he busts, his value would be the same as it is now. If he succeeds as an NHL defender, you look foolish for selling him.

Mitchell is a stud.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

If Boqvist hits his"ceilinig", fine he's the best prospect in the system. Will he hit that? Seems to be a lot of question marks. He might only end up being as good as someone like Will Butcher.

Ian Mitchell on the other hand will hit his ceiling. I like the certainty that he will be a top 4 defender. I'm not a fan of boom/bust types.

Interesting, did you recalibrate your crystal ball? Because I remember the last time you used it you had Mark Stone staying in Ottawa on an 8-year deal.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

you also have to look at what got Hextall fired in Philly- he had a reluctance to trade young assets away for proven players to make a push and did not want to stray from a bigger picture. Bowman has to have some internal pressure that this season is the turn around year, time to enter back into the playoffs with a legit contending team. where is an area he can make a move or two that would help do that?? not hard to figure out if a trade is made, what position he likely makes it from. Kelley himself said "we are not necessarily drafting all these players to be Blackhawks"...meaning you draft the BPA and then move assets as you see fit to help the team and organization. that doesn't mean I am condoning trading Boqvist or anyone or that the Hawks have soured on any of them, just don't be shocked if we see a big move or two here over the next year.

I wouldn't either, and I am in agreement. If they want to create a contender, these are my untouchables:
Kane
Toews
Keith
Cat
Strome
Boqvist

Seabrook is immovable
And that is it. Anyone else is fair game.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

you also have to look at what got Hextall fired in Philly- he had a reluctance to trade young assets away for proven players to make a push and did not want to stray from a bigger picture. Bowman has to have some internal pressure that this season is the turn around year, time to enter back into the playoffs with a legit contending team. where is an area he can make a move or two that would help do that?? not hard to figure out if a trade is made, what position he likely makes it from. Kelley himself said "we are not necessarily drafting all these players to be Blackhawks"...meaning you draft the BPA and then move assets as you see fit to help the team and organization. that doesn't mean I am condoning trading Boqvist or anyone or that the Hawks have soured on any of them, just don't be shocked if we see a big move or two here over the next year.

If Bowman starts moving prospects for quick fixes this team is screwed. This team needed a reload, an influx of young talent. I think we’re a year away from a team potentially in contention. If they start selling futures to get in as the sixth seed I’ll be furious.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Interesting, did you recalibrate your crystal ball? Because I remember the last time you used it you had Mark Stone staying in Ottawa on an 8-year deal.

Not my fault Melnyk had different plans. Stone would've stayed had he been given a fair offer.

Also has nothing to do with assessing talent.

 

[AmericanDream]

Right, so it’s reasonable to conclude that at least one of the “big 4” defenseman prospects will get traded and never wear a Hawks sweater.

What I don’t understand is why some people are starting with Boqvist as the guy who could go.

It just smells like an agenda-driven thing.

As BWC said (weird I’m siding with him here, but I think he’s right) you start with trading guys like Krys or Mitchell, not Boqvist or Jokiharju.

I am pretty positive one of those 4 dmen will be moved, it is our position of strength to deal from. As for why it seems Boqvist, not sure but the fact that he is the weakest away from the puck is probably why..you would have to ask them, but he would not be my first choice to move. I would 100% move Beaudin out if the opportunity presented itself, and 1000% if we draft Byram.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Not my fault Melnyk had different plans. Stone would've stayed had he been given a fair offer.

Also has nothing to do with assessing talent.

Even if Boqvist doesn’t hit his ceiling, how do you know for sure that he still won’t be better than Mitchell?

 

[AmericanDream]

If Bowman starts moving prospects for quick fixes this team is screwed. This team needed a reload, an influx of young talent. I think we’re a year away from a team potentially in contention. If they start selling futures to get in as the sixth seed I’ll be furious.

why are you assuming it will be a quick fix? was ROR a quick fix for the Blues? you can move a top prospect or two and get a player back that not only fills a need but builds towards the future as well.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If Boqvist hits his"ceilinig", fine he's the best prospect in the system. Will he hit that? Seems to be a lot of question marks. He might only end up being as good as someone like Will Butcher.

Ian Mitchell on the other hand will hit his ceiling. I like the certainty that he will be a top 4 defender. I'm not a fan of boom/bust types.

You gotta stop talking in such absolutes man. It genuinely detracts from your more reasonable takes.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Ooh, that looks nice.
in that case, I wouldn't mind giving Gus a 5x5 and exposing him in the expansion draft if we have to. That is always an option.

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[Kevin Musto]

Even if Boqvist doesn’t hit his ceiling, how do you know for sure that he still won’t be better than Mitchell?

You gotta stop talking in such absolutes man. It genuinely detracts from your more reasonable takes.

I'm honestly not trying to be Mr. Absolute right now. I firmly believe in Ian Mitchell's ability.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

why are you assuming it will be a quick fix? was ROR a quick fix for the Blues? you can move a top prospect or two and get a player back that not only fills a need but builds towards the future as well.

No he wasn’t, and that’s not at all what I was talking about. Moving joker or Boqvist for Nylander or whoever else isn’t at all what I’m advocating against.

The internal pressure bit is what scares me. McD pushing hockey decisions for the brand.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I'm honestly not trying to be Mr. Absolute right now. I firmly believe in Ian Mitchell's ability.

I just want the kid to sign at this point

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I'm honestly not trying to be Mr. Absolute right now. I firmly believe in Ian Mitchell's ability.

Saying I think Mitchell hits his ceiling is different from saying Mitchell will hit his.

What you say is different from how you say it.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

No he wasn’t, and that’s not at all what I was talking about. Moving joker or Boqvist for Nylander or whoever else isn’t at all what I’m advocating against.

The internal pressure bit is what scares me. McD pushing hockey decisions for the brand.

I'm with you.
Joki for Nylander is a hockey trade. Those type of trades are ok.
Trading Boqvist for some vet D in an overpay is one of those things that would be incredibly short sighted.

I'm fine moving anyone in a hockey trade. Trading young players for 30+ vets is stupid. If they're trading the young D, they better be getting a player like Nylander or Hamilton in return.

 

[AmericanDream]

No he wasn’t, and that’s not at all what I was talking about. Moving joker or Boqvist for Nylander or whoever else isn’t at all what I’m advocating against.

The internal pressure bit is what scares me. McD pushing hockey decisions for the brand.

agreed, and I think Bowman isn't going to make that knee jerk reaction hence the Boqvist pick to begin with. I am sure he is feeling some heat to get things going, but he also has to be looking at the defensive prospect pool and realize all these guys just will not have room here in the next year or two...so like Kelley said, some might not make it with us..McD needs to just focus on Hawks conventions and charity events lol..

 

[Toews2Bickell]

agreed, and I think Bowman isn't going to make that knee jerk reaction hence the Boqvist pick to begin with. I am sure he is feeling some heat to get things going, but he also has to be looking at the defensive prospect pool and realize all these guys just will not have room here in the next year or two...so like Kelley said, some might not make it with us..McD needs to just focus on Hawks conventions and charity events lol..

mcdonough allegedly 'loves' colliton, so he could be on board with playing the long game with JC and Bowman as JC is his guy if thats what Stan wants...scotty is also allegedly partially a reason that stan is still around

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

mcdonough allegedly 'loves' colliton, so he could be on board with playing the long game with JC and Bowman as JC is his guy if thats what Stan wants...scotty is also allegedly partially a reason that stan is still around

Scotty is 85 years old. idk how much longer he's going to want to work, or how much longer he's still going to be with it.