Hamhuis goes more against the top pairings than any other Nashville defenseman.
I'd say Hamhuis is better all around than any you mentioned.
I'd say Hamhuis is better all around than any you mentioned.
Asiaoil said:The stat (like any stat) is useful if it is used correctly. This is especially the case for defensemen who have more of a focus on keeping the puck out of their own net. Fact is Hamhuis is a fine young dman ? but he is one of the worst +/- dmen on his team. That means the puck is going in the net a lot more while he is on the ice than most other Pred dmen. Nashville is also a pretty good team so he?s playing with relatively good players.
Will Hamhuis be a superior player to Liles, Martin and Bergeron in a few years? ? almost certainly yes. But 4 other guys (Pitkanen, Liles, Martin and Bergeron) probably had slightly better seasons in terms of combining both offense and defense. The award is about how good you WERE this past year ? not how good you WILL BE.
triggrman said:Hamhuis goes more against the top pairings than any other Nashville defenseman.
I'd say Hamhuis is better all around than any you mentioned.
SmokeyClause said:So you are saying that because of one stat, no one will pick him? That because of one almost meaningless piece of information, people will forgo the opinions they've derived from watching him. I'd hate to have 'these' people picking anything important.
Yeah and he has total control of how every goal is scored when he is on the ice because he has a mind control device where the other players on his team are under his complete control.kasper11 said:I think that his +/- is a valid argument. He doesn't put up points, and has the worst +/- of any defenseman on his team.
JasonMacIsaac said:I seen him play....he is a physical defensemen...thats it. His defensive zone coverage is horrible and he has no offense to boot.
Dark Metamorphosis said:orpik is a nasty open ice hitter, but he still has a little way to go.
i wouldn't put him in the same class as the top rookie defenders yet.
+/- is not a useless stat when comparing players on the same team. that said, him and tarnstrom have drawn a lot of hardest assignments for the bulk of the season. wouldn't be so easy to handle on such a poor team.
No way you can base Hammy's game on his +/-.Asiaoil said:For the dmen - MA Bergeron has been the best of the bunch for the last quarter of the season. He's 9-17-26 +13 in only 53 games.
Liles, Pitkanen and Martin have also been solid at both ends of the rink - but Hamhuis and his -13 on a pretty good Nashville squad means he's not top 4 IMO.
Even IF looked at "correctly" it is still incredibly subjective and in no way (or in a very small way) determines the given play of an INDIVIDUAL. It is still innacurate no matter which way you choose to look at it.John Flyers Fan said:Not if looked at correctly.
JasonMacIsaac said:Its BS because you want it to be BS. Judging by your list you fit in perfect with Leafaholix and KomisarekX8.
Asiaoil said:The stat (like any stat) is useful if it is used correctly. This is especially the case for defensemen who have more of a focus on keeping the puck out of their own net. Fact is Hamhuis is a fine young dman – but he is one of the worst +/- dmen on his team. That means the puck is going in the net a lot more while he is on the ice than most other Pred dmen. Nashville is also a pretty good team so he’s playing with relatively good players.
Asiaoil said:Will Hamhuis be a superior player to Liles, Martin and Bergeron in a few years? – almost certainly yes. But 4 other guys (Pitkanen, Liles, Martin and Bergeron) probably had slightly better seasons in terms of combining both offense and defense. The award is about how good you WERE this past year – not how good you WILL BE.
triggrman said:Hamhuis goes more against the top pairings than any other Nashville defenseman.
I'd say Hamhuis is better all around than any you mentioned.
JasonMacIsaac said:I seen him play....he is a physical defensemen...thats it. His defensive zone coverage is horrible and he has no offense to boot.