Post Your "All Rookie Teams"

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  1. Heater15

    Heater15 Registered User

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    I would have to go with
    1st Team
    LW Ryan Malone, Pitt
    C Patrice Bergeron, Bos
    RW Michael Ryder, Mtl
    D John-Michael Liles, Col
    D Joni Pitkanen, Phi
    G Andrew Raycroft, Bos

    2nd Team
    LW Nikolai Zherdev, Clb
    C Tuomo Ruutu, Chi
    RW Trent Hunter, NYI
    D Marc-Andre Bergeron, Edm
    D Dan Hamhuis, Nas
    G Sebastien Caron, Pitt

    I'm going by ESPN's positions.

    I was tempted to switch Bergeron and Pitkanen around because in the last half Bergeron has gotten the Edmonton PP rolling...Nedved helps alot but Bergeron is awesome on the point. Pitkanen has played more games so I gave it to him and he is the better player so.

    Others who I gave consideration to: Paul Martin, NJ; Garnet Exelby, Atl

    Who do you think?
     
  2. Safir*

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    First Team

    Center: Tuomo Ruutu, Hawks
    Left Wing: Ryan Malone, Pens
    Right Wing: Michael Ryder, Habs

    Defenseman: John-Michael Liles, Avs
    Defenseman: Joni Pitkanen, Flyers

    Goaltender: Andrew Raycroft, Bruins

    Second Team

    Center: Patrice Bergeron, Bruins
    Left Wing: Nikolai Zherdev, Jackets
    Right Wing: Trent Hunter, Isles

    Defenseman: Dan Haumhuis, Preds
    Defenseman: Garnett Exelby, Thrashers(²)

    Goaltender: Michael Leighton, Hawks(³)
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    (²)= Homer pick, but XLB is playing a solid season. Paul Martin would be my next choice.

    (³)= IMO Leighton stats were a tiny bit better, than Caron's.
     
  3. Munchausen

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    1st:

    Malone - Ruutu - Ryder
    Pitkanen - Hamhuis
    Raycroft

    2nd:

    Zherdev - Bergeron - Hunter
    Liles - Martin
    Caron

    I know I didn't put M-A Bergeron and he deserves to be there as well, so sue me. I just like the other 4 better.
     
  4. IFK

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    First:

    Ryan Malone-Tuomo Ruutu-Michael Ryder

    Joni Pitkanen-J-M Liles

    Andrew Raycroft

    Second:

    Nikolai Zherdev-Patrice Bergeron-Trent Hunter

    Dan Hamhuis-M-A Bergeron

    Michael Leighton
     
  5. john g

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    no love for the defensive dman - Orpik :shakehead

    Hamhuis and Joni P got my votes on the first team but I would take Brooks on my 2nd team anyday
     
  6. Jason MacIsaac

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    He is like -100...lol Now way anyone picks him no matter how well he is doing in the situation.
     
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    So you are saying that because of one stat, no one will pick him? That because of one almost meaningless piece of information, people will forgo the opinions they've derived from watching him. I'd hate to have 'these' people picking anything important.
     
  8. John Flyers Fan

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    1st Team

    Hunter - Ruutu - Ryder
    Liles - Pitkanen
    Raycroft

    2nd Team

    Malone - Bergeron - Zherdev
    Bergeron - Martin
    Toskala
     
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    1st team

    Malone - Ruutu - Ryder
    Liles - Pitkanen
    Raycroft

    2nd team

    Zherdev - Bergeron - Hunter
    Martin - Hamhuis
    Caron
     
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    "He is like -100"

    Ahh yes very true, i forgot that +/- is an individual stat, my bad :banghead:
     
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    1st team

    Ruutu-Malone-Ryder
    Pitkanen-Hamhuis

    2nd team

    Hunter-Bergeron-Hunter
    Orpik-Liles
     
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    I think that his +/- is a valid argument. He doesn't put up points, and has the worst +/- of any defenseman on his team.
     
  13. KallioWeHardlyKnewYe

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    1st team

    Zherdev - P. Bergeron - Ryder
    Pitkanen - Hamhuis
    Raycroft

    2nd team

    Malone - Rutuu - Hunter
    M.A. Bergeron - Liles
    ????

    This is taking into account wing positions. Without that, Hunter should be 1st team and Zherdev 2nd.
     
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    Noted as why I stated defensive defenseman

    The team isnt good first of all, +/- isnt valid because I would play with Sakic and Tanguay and have a decent +/-, that doesnt reflect on my talent nor should it take away from theirs.

    Doesnt matter, the people whom cant see past points will vote for Liles, Pitkanen, Hamhuis anyways and Martin/Hale because they stepped up for Stevens absence.

    and I thought it was Post "your" rookie team. :)
     
  15. tom_servo

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    We know Orpik's good. Others will realize it in time. We don't need a grassroots campaign for the guy (or any other Penguin).
     
  16. The Tang

    The Tang I like gooooollllddd

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    name one person on the Pens, not aquired towards the end of the year, that doesnt have a god awful +/- stat. you cacnt hold thr +/- against orpik when pretty much the entire team has the same rating
     
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    No votes for M-A Fleury?!
     
  18. Jason MacIsaac

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    I seen him play....he is a physical defensemen...thats it. His defensive zone coverage is horrible and he has no offense to boot.
     
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    So you are saying his +- is average among a team of rookies......you are killing what argument he once had.
     
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    orpik is a nasty open ice hitter, but he still has a little way to go.

    i wouldn't put him in the same class as the top rookie defenders yet.

    +/- is not a useless stat when comparing players on the same team. that said, him and tarnstrom have drawn a lot of hardest assignments for the bulk of the season. wouldn't be so easy to handle on such a poor team.
     
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    your wrong
     
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    Orpik is just that, a rookie who does some spectacular things at times (how often do you actually notice a defenseman on the ice unless he is of the offensive variety?) but makes rookie mistakes too. And plays for what has been a lousy team who can not cover up rookie mistakes as some of the others have the luxury of. I would answer whether he would be on the all rookie team by asking what the critereon is. If you are looking for finished product he is not there yet. But I doubt that many that would be listed ahead of him here would last if orpik was offered up for trade for them straight up. Give it a year and he will really be something, and most GM's know that.
     
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    1st Team

    Bergeron
    Zherdev
    Ryder

    Pitkanen
    Hamhuis

    Raycroft

    2nd Team

    Hunter
    Ruutu
    Malone

    Liles
    Martin

    Caron
     
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    They need to get rid of the days in which the 24 year old rookie flurrishes. With an exception to back stoppers the age limit needs to be brought down to 21-22 at the latest. I would be choked if my young prospect wasnt producing numbers like ryder totals at 24.
     
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    Zherdev-Ruutu-Ryder
    Liles-Pitkanen

    #2

    Malone-Bergeron-Lupul
    Hamhuis-Martin

    #1 Goalie- Raycroft
    #2 Goalie- Toss up


    -fullmetalninja
     
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