Please vote for the best hockey player - (Crosby, Hasek, Jagr, Ovechkin, McDavid)

[Elvis P]

Please vote for the best hockey player

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[Beerz]

Hasek is a top 3 player ever.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It's hard to compare Hasek with the skaters.

 

[gtrower]

Near impossible to compare Hasek to the skaters.

McDavid probably the best hockey player of that group. Ovi has the best career. McD has a legit shot to catch/pass him tho.

 

[jetsforever]

The recency bias is insane here

 

[Video Nasty]

The recency bias is insane here

Not really.

McDavid is about to win his 5 Art Ross (his 7th consecutive top 2 finish and 3rd win in a row), 3rd Hart (5th finalist nomination), and 4th Lindsay in just 8 seasons. He’s flirting with a 140-150 point season as we speak and is in a terrific position to scoop up the Rocket and also lead the league in assists. He’s put up 1.61 PPG over the last 350 games of his career and needs to average just 1.56 for the rest of this season to hit 140, so don’t tell me that it or 150 isn’t in play.

He’ll also have 825+ career points through the completion of just 8 seasons which includes playing just half his rookie campaign and losing 37 games due to COVID.

If he does what seems to be the impossible and leads the Oilers to at least a Cup berth 6 months from now, it’s not going to be perceived as remotely insane. He’s about halfway home to being the consensus #5 all-time.

Enjoy his career as it happens, instead of being part of that crowd 10-12 years from now who will pretend it was an honor only when he’s about to retire.

It doesn’t take much to see that barring a catastrophic downturn in health, McDavid will have carved out a career that dwarfs all but the Big Four.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hasek in reality, but I threw him out because comparing goaltenders versus forwards is weird so.

Sid.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Until McDavid clearly pass him, it's Sidney Crosby

 

[Buck Naked]

The recency bias is insane here

No, the amount of nostalgia people vote based on on these forums is what's insane. It is possible for new players to be better than the old ones, as crazy as it sounds!

 

[Rengorlex]

Crosby. He's the only one here with the leadership to match the talent level.

 

[Dessloch]

Not really.

McDavid is about to win his 5 Art Ross (his 7th consecutive top 2 finish and 3rd win in a row), 3rd Hart (5th finalist nomination), and 4th Lindsay in just 8 seasons. He’s flirting with a 140-150 point season as we speak and is in a terrific position to scoop up the Rocket and also lead the league in assists. He’s put up 1.61 PPG over the last 350 games of his career and needs to average just 1.56 for the rest of this season to hit 140, so don’t tell me that it or 150 isn’t in play.

He’ll also have 825+ career points through the completion of just 8 seasons which includes playing just half his rookie campaign and losing 37 games due to COVID.

If he does what seems to be the impossible and leads the Oilers to at least a Cup berth 6 months from now, it’s not going to be perceived as remotely insane. He’s about halfway home to being the consensus #5 all-time.

Enjoy his career as it happens, instead of being part of that crowd 10-12 years from now who will pretend it was an honor only when he’s about to retire.

It doesn’t take much to see that barring a catastrophic downturn in health, McDavid will have carved out a career that dwarfs all but the Big Four.

The recency bias here would include Crosby & Ovechkin sir

 

[Dessloch]

Jaromir Jagr past his peak did match Crosby & Ovechkin, and he did so playing the 2006-2007 season with a bum shoulder no longer being able to take slapshots on the PP! Without that shoulder injury he would have blown both Crosby & Ovechkin out of the water even in his mid 30s

This is the best timeframe to compare these players against each other since its the last years when Jagr still was not overhill but still 7-8 years from his prime. Also should be noted that Jagr in the 2007-2008 at age 37 lead the playoffs in scoring after 2 rounds (facing Crosby & Ovechkin) before leaving for the KHL!


Jagr at age 34 and 35 vs Crosby at age 18 and 19 vs Ovechkin at age 20 and 21
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Crosby: 75 goals + 151 assists = 226 points +9

Jagr: 84 goals + 135 assists = 219 points +60

Ovechkin: 98 goals + 100 assists = 198 points -17


If anyone makes the argument that Sid is an overall better player than Jagr, I would not say they are necessarily wrong or right, but anyone arguing for Ovechkin over Jagr is out of bounds.

As for Hasek, I cant rank him against the other players since he plays a different position entirely.

 

[TopShelfYzerman]

McDavid. McDavid is the best skater, stickhandler, passer and up there with the best shot, especially on breakaways.

Imo those 4 stats are the defining attributes which reflect a players skills and attributes for a forward most closely

 

[bobholly39]

All 5 are really close. I have Crosby #1, than Jagr/Ovechkin/Hasek super close in that order.

McDavid isn't there yet, but will get there and can challenge for #1.

 

[blundluntman]

Hasek is a top 3 player ever.

Top 5 is hard enough to argue... Top 3 is absurd.

 

[bobholly39]

Top 5 is hard enough to argue... Top 3 is absurd.

I read his post and politely assumed autocorrect changed the word "goalie" to "player"

 

[Ben White]

Don’t like to compare skaters and goalies but McDavid tops this list.

#TheBig5
(Not referring to the players in this poll)

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Crosby #1 - he transforms your organization and lifts up everyone and makes them better. From the way they practice to on-ice play. Not to mention his two Conn smythes are more than the rest combined.

The rest of the group seem more concerned with personal stats and glory. I mean Ovechkin is even selling merchandise for his race to break the record.

 

[Elvis P]

The recency bias is insane here

Agreed. That's why I started this poll. If you see this poll Which of these players are your top 5 ever? , most of the posters don't consider it possible that anyone older than these 5 may be the 5th best player ever, so I thought I'd find out who they do consider the 5th best player ever.

 

[Buck Naked]

Crosby #1 - he transforms your organization and lifts up everyone and makes them better. From the way they practice to on-ice play. Not to mention his two Conn smythes are more than the rest combined.

The rest of the group seem more concerned with personal stats and glory. I mean Ovechkin is even selling merchandise for his race to break the record.

Crosby kind of is a player that devalues the Conn Smythe though. In no way was he the best player in 15/16.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

It’s McDavid, but I’d listen to arguments for Hasek as well.

 

[Randyne]

Only Gretzky and Ovechkin has 3 years in a row top ppg and gpg. And Ovechkin done it vs best duo on Earth without having HOFers on his team. plus 3rd hardware all time
McDavid doesn't have any equal opponents.

 

[BagHead]

As others have said, it's hard to compare Hasek to the others, as goalie is a very different position. I've decided to rank them based off of how many wins I they caused for their team, and that's Hasek.

I don't see "Wins" even listed on anyone else's stat sheet.

 

[wetcoast]

Until McDavid clearly pass him, it's Sidney Crosby

Came here to say this, Crosby's 18 year prime is just head and shoulders above all other resumes outside of the Big 4.

 

[wetcoast]

Crosby #1 - he transforms your organization and lifts up everyone and makes them better. From the way they practice to on-ice play. Not to mention his two Conn smythes are more than the rest combined.

The rest of the group seem more concerned with personal stats and glory. I mean Ovechkin is even selling merchandise for his race to break the record.

Has it really come to that?

To be fair I goggled it and can't find evidence of this other than this link which is fair game for players although there is nothing Washington here probably due to copyright.

The Alex Ovechkin Store

ovechkinstore.com