Discussion in 'Philadelphia Flyers' started by MiamiScreamingEagles, Nov 5, 2017.
If I'll get offensive role, kid gets defensive role kinda deal huh?
Can you guys give me some insight into these Flyers players who made their NHL debut last season? Specifically what type of player they are, if they have an NHL future and what role they project as in the long-term. Thanks!
Lindblom - Good along the boards, surprisingly good vision, average skater. Played well in his games with the big club. Stats don't quite show how effective he was. He will be at worst a 3rd liner going forward.
Goulbourne - No real NHL future. He is a poor man's Zac Rinaldo.
Martel - Fairly skilled, but seems like an AHL-lifer.
Lyon - Has a decent shot a being the Flyers backup next year. I can't really comment to well on goalies stylistically, but I think he could be a backup goaltender for while in the league.
O'Neill - No real NHL future.
Goulbourne is 10x the hockey player Rinaldo is...but still shouldn't be an NHL regular
Goulbourne might have slightly more skill. But, Rinaldo is a lot more effective at his "job".
Which is what? Delivering questionable hits and taking stupid penalties?
At being an agitator and being an energy guy.
Which lead to him putting his team on the PK
He drew plenty of penalties as well. He wasn't a good hockey player, but he was better than Goul.
No he really isn't. He's probably the least skilled player in the entire league and it goes back to his minor hockey days when he dad practically had to bribe his coaches so he would make the team
Whatever you say bud
I think Rinaldo sucks, but he has somehow managed to stay in the league.
Yeah...this is something I'll always wonder. Then again, he is on Arizona, who are a minor league franchise
That's weird because Rinaldo has played quite a bit in the NHLa nd Goulbourne is a 4th liner in the AHL
This coming from someone that fully recognizes Rinaldo is useless
Ghoul will score 15 points in Vegas next year.
Rinaldo is a far bigger idiot but I doubt Goulbourne scores 1 NHL goal, let alone 14.
Zac Rinaldo Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Rinaldo is really fast and very tough, if he wasn't brain dead he'd be the ideal 4th line guy, he should be a great forechecker and PK defender, but he flunked his Hockey IQ test.
People like Laughton, who has obvious offensive talent; Cody Eakin and Sam Gagner, who are solid 25-35 point 3Cs, put up like 1.5-2 ppg in juniors. Rubtsov's production in the Q is more in line with people like Dove-McFalls and Fazleev -- guys who teams give up on. Being optimistic about him is really tough at this point.
Fazleev's problem is he can't skate, no comparison to Rubtsov.
Rubtsov may never be an offensive force, but he plays a solid two way game, Gagner can score but defense was an afterthought which is why he ended up a journeyman.
We'll get a better fix on Rubtsov after a year in the AHL.
And Radek Faska had 48 points in 59 OHL games as a 19 year old, and 10 points in 32 AHL games as a 20 year old. You can't just go off Junior scoring numbers, or even first year AHL production. Some prospects need more time to develop.
It's pretty clear at this point that Rubstov is going to be a project. I can't see him spending any less than 2 years in the AHL. I just hope we see significant improvement from year 1 in the A to year 2 like Radek Faksa.
Just like you can't take fabulous junior numbers and think they will translate to NHL There are 130-140 point guys that can't do crap in the AHL little along NHL. Looking at fundamentals and how they play the game has every bit as much to do with it. Ruby has both fundamentals and plays a smart game so just has to work on the offensive side of his game. Who knows maybe he is just not that offensive but writing him off is not smart , he passes the eye test in many ways .
Rubtsov played well at the WJC and in the MemCup, where he was moved up to 1st line LW to help check Sam Steel's line. He was very solid in both high-level tourneys and appreciated by two good coaches. I think he'll may be better in the pro game with better players to play with, whether it is as a C or LW or RW is doesn't matter, he should be a contributor at the NHL level. Can play PK and PP too.
Have to look at age in both juniors and NCAA.
pre-draft (17) and post-draft (18) is far more impressive than PD+2 or overage (Martel) scoring.
same way in college, scoring as a freshman or sophomore is far more impressive than as a senior.
Reason is that at 19-20 a junior player is more physically mature than most of his peers, same for college juniors and seniors.
The top young scorers rarely stick around.
Remember college freshmans can already be 21 years of age before they start college so you have to look what age they are not just if they are freshman sophomore junior senior