Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

[Curufinwe]

I wouldn't say very good. He struggled too much at puck possession, for that. But he could get better in that aspect of the game.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

hagg could be a good player with good coaching, good development and limited useage. anyone know where he is going to get this?

 

[Rebels57]

Thank you. The Hagg hate on here is ridiculous. He had a very good rookie year. Solid on D. Only physical presence after Gudas, who turned into a putty-tat after his suspension. Big strong kid who skates well and can defend big and/or fast players.

Depends on what you value. He is a total zero with the puck on his stick. He's basically only NHL level at winning board battles. Defends the rush pretty well. Not a very good PKer. Gets lost in coverage on the cycle (could improve there) and is a total zero with the puck on his stick and helping his team transition to offense.

 

[wasup]

im confused what is your point? do you the kids here or vets here?

I'm all in for adding maybe one vet but not at huge dollars and term which is what you have to do to land one that is worth your while. We are to many holes away to think we are a contender for atleast a couple more years. So signing a stop gap vet for a couple years that is declining during our true chance years will just block you financially from being able to aquire player or players when the real time is right. Put the kids in when ready till we start competing with them then go and aquire. But people on here say we need a top goalie a top 4 d couple top forwards then the same ones complain about not giving the kids a chance to play . Our time is not right to aquire some top players . Am i a little clearer now

 

[tucson83]

I'm all in for adding maybe one vet but not at huge dollars and term which is what you have to do to land one that is worth your while. We are to many holes away to think we are a contender for atleast a couple more years. So signing a stop gap vet for a couple years that is declining during our true chance years will just block you financially from being able to aquire player or players when the real time is right. Put the kids in when ready till we start competing with them then go and aquire. But people on here say we need a top goalie a top 4 d couple top forwards then the same ones complain about not giving the kids a chance to play . Our time is not right to aquire some top players . Am i a little clearer now

im not against the young players but just going by what vegas and washington has, hextall has to get more experience players like 1 or 2 year deals to fill out the depth on this roster on cheap contracts, maybe they might win a cup doing it this way. more experience the better.

 

[Striiker]

There’s two types of people.

People who think Hagg had a good rookie year and people who realize you have to actually be able to play hockey in 2018, not just be strong and completely unskilled.

 

[wasup]

im not against the young players but just going by what vegas and washington has, hextall has to get more experience players like 1 or 2 year deals to fill out the depth on this roster on cheap contracts, maybe they might win a cup doing it this way. more experience the better.

But the problem is you are not going to get these players on 1-2 year deals someone else will be offering them longer and if they are fairly good it would be much bigger and longer. Vegas has been a fluke and the players they got have over achieved , if you did 10 more expansion the same way there is no way it is repeated so don't use vegas as the norm. That said good for them ,it's a great story.

 

[GKJ]

Hagg's had the coaching telling him that he was doing everything right and as a result doesn't seem to be in-line to develop the offensive part of his game. He could and should be better, he could and should develop into a better player, but good chance right now that he won't. He was not scratched for poor play, just Hakstol's antiquated veteran leadership notion, when that's not what he was hired to do.

 

[BernieParent]

I am trying to remember what the expectations were for Hagg when he was drafted because I do remember a good number of people being very pleased that he was available in the 2nd round.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I am trying to remember what the expectations were for Hagg when he was drafted because I do remember a good number of people being very pleased that he was available in the 2nd round.

He was a name player who saw his stock drop & eventually found himself in the second round when all was said & done. Those guys always get hyped after the draft on these forums as “steals”. You have guys like Brandon Saad who bounced back & proved whatever happened was a fluke. But in most cases these guys usually justify their drop in the long run & stagnate.

Hagg’s just not a toolsy player & hasn’t really progressed much if at all since being drafted justifying that drop.

 

[captainpaxil]

Hagg may be the most evolved prospect we have. He was drafted as a puckmover who could turn into a two way guy and now that hes made it plays a very safe stay at home game. Thats just what a guy with his legs are at the nhl level. I much prefer him to manning who thought he was much more talented than he was. I like haggs decision making though i think he can improve in a few areas. Pk being one of them. He was a decent depth guy who projects as a steady 5/6 with pretty good odds to reach his potential. I don't forsee a norris trophy in his future but if he really takes off i could see him as ghosts partner on the second pairing

 

[Striiker]

He sure as f*** can't move the puck, so I guess he devolved.

"Safe" isn't the right word, he's ultra-passive. Also, he's not good defensively, it's just that he never even attempts to do anything else.

I could absolutely see him as a 2nd pair guy again next year, but only because of Hakstol, not because Hagg belongs there. The guy just isn't NHL quality, same as any player who is literally good at nothing at all.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Often times saying a player is safe is code for the player can’t make plays. That fits Hagg.

 

[Chuck Downie]

I am trying to remember what the expectations were for Hagg when he was drafted because I do remember a good number of people being very pleased that he was available in the 2nd round.

For sure. He was projected really high at one point. Top 10 on some lists.

 

[Stizzle]

Same story, different day. Our players have zero passing options breaking out of the defensive zone and neutral zone.

If they are lucky enough to even dump the puck in we have a 1 man forecheck while every other Phantoms player changes.

4 SOG in the 1st period. Nice adjustments, Scott.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

phantoms game is 0 to 0 after one.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Gordon’s probably going to fail his way up to the NHL.

 

[Magua]

"Can we have the games on TV, pretty please, Comcast overlords?"

"We, your Comcast overlords, feel beneficent today. We grant you this request."

"Actually, ummm thank you but never mind......"

 

[FLYguy3911]

Holy shit this team makes the offensive side of the game look really difficult.

 

[Rebels57]

Same story, different day. Our players have zero passing options breaking out of the defensive zone and neutral zone.

If they are lucky enough to even dump the puck in we have a 1 man forecheck while every other Phantoms player changes.

4 SOG in the 1st period. Nice adjustments, Scott.

They look like a mens league team.

Hextall EXTENDED this guy.

How do people still have faith in Hextall?

 

[Brayden Fattison]

I am trying to remember what the expectations were for Hagg when he was drafted because I do remember a good number of people being very pleased that he was available in the 2nd round.

The EP blurb was pretty typical:

A two-way defenseman. Hägg is capable of playing a pure defensive role, logging big minutes on the penalty kill, as well as contributing offensively and being valuable in power play situations. Furthermore, Hägg has good size and strength, very good vision, a heavy release and is also a mobile defenseman. Some consistency issues, although Hägg usually makes smarter plays while playing in the big league, rather than in the juniors. Lots of potential (EP, 2013)

The consensus was that he was a skilled puck mover prone to brainfarts.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

watching the way our guys play and are being developed/coached gives me great hope for the future and us becoming contenders in 2 to 5 more years.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hextall’s been god awful in hiring & managing the coaching staffs at both levels.

 

[Striiker]

They look like a mens league team.

Hextall EXTENDED this guy.

How do people still have faith in Hextall?

Gordon has no effect on whether or not the team will win a cup.

 

[Rebels57]

Gordon has no effect on whether or not the team will win a cup.

His coaching choices are hilariously bad.