HavlatMach9
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i think they want to pick Fleury to be competitive. Fleury makes you competitive even if that means he's not going to carry you in the playoffs.
it's just Las Vegas making the most out of anything and everything
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it's just Las Vegas making the most out of anything and everything
Tender Rip
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You will no doubt find that many Pens fans could conceive of giving something minor, whether pick or prospect.
Just like you can find oodles of non-Pens fans arguing how GMGM really should have JR over a barrel.
Also more so than the 31st pick would indicate.
Surely, some will look back in very adamant posts and think "should not have gone there".
Personally, I can rationalize a late first, but given when the deal was likely made it would just be a 1st, and in that case I'd honestly be a bit miffed.
Anything else to get the certainty, cap-relief and no Murray problem.... big win for the Pens. Not a loss for Vegas mind, as surely GMGM see some of those extracurricular talents many of us have harped on about. But surely a more than decent end result for the Pens.
LordHelmet
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Dallas would do nothing of the sort.
Dallas has absolutely no need to trade assets to get rid of Lehtonen or Niemi. It's far easier for the Stars to just buy out Niemi.
brewski420
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The draft pick is more about protecting other players exposed to Vegas like Rust. Well worth it considering MAF played a huge role in another Cup!! If that is being wrong than great!!
ManofSteel55
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They don't all have to be from this draft. Some of these picks are likely 2018's. And maybe even 2019's and 2020's.
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You realize there's a cap floor right? I doubt they go much above that and Vegas won't be terrible. Their D and G could be decent. Forwards will be weak though.
ManofSteel55
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i think they want to pick Fleury to be competitive. Fleury makes you competitive even if that means he's not going to carry you in the playoffs.
it's just Las Vegas making the most out of anything and everything
A goalie duo of Fleury and Mrazek/Grubauer/Raanta, with Linus Ullmark sitting in the minors this year would give them a solid core of goalies.
ManofSteel55
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Exactly. They need to come up with 55.4 million, and Fleury helps with that. Vegas will probably want a lot of younger guys to build around, and those guys tend to be cheaper, so having a couple of highly paid veterans like Fleury makes a lot of sense.
Rich Nixon
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As I have stated before, they are accumulating picks to take players and then trading all of those players for picks. They will draft their entire inaugural roster this year.
Do it McPhee. All teen team. The Vegas Golden Teens.
Do it McPhee. All teen team. The Vegas Golden Teens.
Probably a good thing considering that he's significantly worse than MAF, despite ONLY getting paid 750k less then him.
Dying Alive
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The majority also said that there was no way MAF would waive his NMC and the Pens would have to buy him out or Murray would be lost. When is the owning up for that going to start? We've known he waived for quite some time now and the people who insisted he'd force the Pens hands have been strangely silent on the subject.
Probably a good thing considering that he's significantly worse than MAF, despite ONLY getting paid 750k less then him.
Don't know what's so funny, Lehtonen will make 5M, Fleury 11.5M.
Beside Lehtonen there are more than a dozen goalies who were better than Fleury and earn only peanuts.
stepdad gaary
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lehtonen's cap hit is 5.9 mil this year and fleury's is 5.75. i dont see how you can be so consistently wrong but still persist. admirable i guess
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this will be a 2nd or 3rd. Maybe even just a 4th. It's not exactly a favor to take Fleury. He's still a great starter. McPhee seemed to want Fleury, but to guarantee he takes Fleury, you've still got to give a little something
Pick87your71Poison
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And Lehtonen's cap hit is higher. And your measure of who is "better" based on your hand-picked stats doesn't actually make it true.
lol, whatever.
This implies that Lehtonen is better than Fleury - which couldn't be further from the truth. And while there are a dozen goalies better than MAF, some of whom do in fact only earn peanuts, none of them are actually available in the expansion draft.
Dylonus
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There are at least 12 better goalies than Fleury that also barely make anything!? Yup. That's enough HFBoards for one day for me.
Shoofyou10
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You a wrong. MAF, played sporadically this season as MM's backup and he was never able to get into a rhythm. He's the kind of goalie that needs to play a lot. So you can take his numbers this year with a grain of salt. The first half of the season last year while Mike Johnston was still the coach MAF was the Pens MVP the first half of the year. The team couldn't score and won a lot of 2-1 games because MAF played out of his mind. Even Sid couldnt score. He was playing really well when he got hurt right before the playoffs that season, Matt Murray took over and the rest is history. But the Pens arent even in the position to turn it around and win the cup in 2016 if not for Fleury.
So two years ago in his last season as a starter with a terrible coach for most of it he won 35 of his 58 games and had a .921 save %. I would take last seasons numbers with a grain of salt because he didn't play much. He's only 31 and I honesty believe he was getting better with age. He doesn't flop around as much as he used to and is more fundamentally sound. If not for Matt Murray, I would be happy to have him as the Pens starter for the next 2 years.
Who cares about cap hits, you talked about making money.
Why don't you tell us which idiot told you that.
Who cares about cap hits, Vegas will likely not be a cap team. But Foley would save millions with Lehtonen instead of Fleury.
Pick87your71Poison
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And why don't you tell us who these at least dozen goalies are that are objectively better than Fleury and making peanuts?
Pick87your71Poison
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You do understand the difference between 2 years and 1 year right? He only makes 750k less this year and next year he will have a different goalie instead of Lehtonen, not just saving the full $5.75mm.
So if they got a Raanta or someone and extended him for 5 years at $2.5mm AAV, then that makes him more expensive than Fleury? $12.5mm>$11.5mm. Brilliant logic.
Not really. With Lehtonen he'd get a sack of **** that couldn't do anything - for which he'd have the pleasure of paying him 5m. With MAF he gets a legitimate #1 goalie who is actually useful to his team, and for which he'd pay him 5.75m a year.
The latter is significantly more valuable to Vegas then the former.
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