He’s not as good as people make him out to be. Paper tiger in a mans game
Injury Report: Pavel Buchnevich: Concussion
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Mac n Gs
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We don’t want Hank to get to 30. That means we won too many. Maybe he gets to 30 on another team
Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
Except he's already a first liner.
Your post makes no sense. You want us to get rid of our best players because of a faulty narrative you are spinning about injury history.
You make your own breaks by being strong, sticking up for yourself and working hard
He’s a first liner on the Rangers. So is Mika and Kreider the 30% of games he shows up for. That is our problem
Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
No, he's a first liner in the NHL. Thats what the stats say.
Those players are all first liners.
There might be a point there that most Cup Contending teams have those 3 along with one of the best offensive players in the league, so they have 4 1st line players or sometimes they have 5 or 6 if they have a really good forward lineup, but don't blame those three because the team doesn't have any star forwards.
You sound like the worst self help book ever written.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
When you work hard, it gets the guy not working hard elbowed. See it's all McLeod's fault, he's a hard working tough player and Buch is a soft, lazy Euro, hence he gets elbowed. I am in total shock you can't understand crackerjack logic like that.
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He’s in the league 2 seasons and run all the time. Spends a lot of time on his ass. Get your stick up. Hurt someone. Earn some space. Guys will learn and leave you alone a little
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Supporting evidence: I am very lazy and am rarely elbowed in the face.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Contrary evidence: I told my wife, "no I wouldn't do the dishes" and the woman upped and elbowed me in the nose.
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eco's bones
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IMO Zuccarello is our only really legit 1st liner. The likes of Zibanejad, Kreider and Buchnevich might do okay on a 1st line but none of them as yet has produced more than mid 50's point production. Most teams--the good ones anyway will have one, two, three guys in the 60, 70, 80 range by the end of this year. Just saying. You can call them 1st liners but then they're low scoring ones. Top line talent is an issue for us. We're fine on 2nd line talent.
Agreed. To call these guys first liners is embarrassing. Even a Kreider is questionable although I put him in. BARELY
eco's bones
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As for Buchnevich--it's sucks but FWIW it might be one of those concussions where he's back in a week and a half--two weeks. Some concussions are worse than others and FWIW again I haven't heard anything about the severity of this one.
But even so---tanking for the sake of tanking isn't really the honorable way to go but OTOH there's nothing dishonorable about players not being able to play because of torn meniscuses, blood clots or concussions. Those injuries are just shit luck. The way the team played last night IMO was just more writing on the wall. So.....1) until Buch comes back we'll see someone else--maybe Lettieri again 2) almost makes it even more a given that Nash, Grabner and whoever else will be dealt at the deadline and that we won't be sending draft picks and prospects to other places, they'll be conserved for next year and 3) the probability that we'll get an even higher draft position has increased.
I might also say that I haven't liked the way the team has played this year. Even without the injuries (and I'd include Zibanejad's 9 games and Hayes' 4 games) we were hardly a sure bet to make the playoffs. Throughout the season this team has played soft, have given away games and have a number of times been not ready to play when the puck drops. To me that last one for sure is on AV. It's up to him and his staff to have them ready to go right after the national anthem. Too often they've not been ready. There's almost nothing to indicate to me this year that making the playoffs they could get past even round 1.
But even so---tanking for the sake of tanking isn't really the honorable way to go but OTOH there's nothing dishonorable about players not being able to play because of torn meniscuses, blood clots or concussions. Those injuries are just shit luck. The way the team played last night IMO was just more writing on the wall. So.....1) until Buch comes back we'll see someone else--maybe Lettieri again 2) almost makes it even more a given that Nash, Grabner and whoever else will be dealt at the deadline and that we won't be sending draft picks and prospects to other places, they'll be conserved for next year and 3) the probability that we'll get an even higher draft position has increased.
I might also say that I haven't liked the way the team has played this year. Even without the injuries (and I'd include Zibanejad's 9 games and Hayes' 4 games) we were hardly a sure bet to make the playoffs. Throughout the season this team has played soft, have given away games and have a number of times been not ready to play when the puck drops. To me that last one for sure is on AV. It's up to him and his staff to have them ready to go right after the national anthem. Too often they've not been ready. There's almost nothing to indicate to me this year that making the playoffs they could get past even round 1.
We also cannot exclude Lundqvist. The guy was crap in October. Good in November. Very good in December. Elite in January up until the end and an abortion the last few weeks. Why can’t we just get consistency
Thirty One
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Buchnevich is 58th in the league in P/60 among players w/ 600 minutes. Zibanejad, Miller, and Zucc are all in the Top 100 as well. But let me guess, because they're not "tuff", they don't deserve to be called 1st liners?
eco's bones
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I've been very happy with Lundqvist after October. IMO we'd be at the bottom of the league without him and for a few weeks I even fantasized we could make the playoffs and maybe even win a round. IMO he's not been the problem--though he's had a couple stinkers lately. IMO he's also been overplayed--a product of our own desperation to win games which might be a reason for those stinkers.
haohmaru
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eco's bones
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At the end of the day P/60 is an indicator but it's not actual point production. The Rangers need the actual production from someone or other to win games. There have been plenty of occasions when every single player on your above list has gone through a protracted dry spell of listless performances. If we had a guy we could depend on for 80 actual points year in and year maybe one or two of the above could piggyback off that productive player and make a case for himself as a legit first line player. To me they're second line types until they put up the kind of numbers that justify it and that's 60-65 points anyway.
Taking an elbow to the jaw is hardly "not staying healthy"... unless you're suggesting he has a weak jaw?
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