Ottawa Senators : Darkest Hour

[DueDiligence]

Paraphrasing, but supposedly Dorion was having a meeting with the team in the dressing room and felt disrespected by a certain group of players. Talk of said players turning up the volume of the music while he speaking.

I guess the contention is that Karlsson had become openly insubordinate.

If that's the case and it was Karlsson then I am happy to get rid of him. If it was other guys then get rid of them. Entitled little brats.

 

[Daffy]

Just a reminder, we do have our first round pick this year (if we want it). We simply do not have both this year's and next year's. We have one of them. It is our choice as to which one we give to COL so long as we are picking in the top 10 this year, which we will be.

The concern is next year IMO. This rebuild is not going to be good for next year's pick and it looks like that pick could be a lottery pick, if the rumours are true and we move Karlsson and go full rebuild.

I was talking about next year

 

[BondraTime]

If that's the case and it was Karlsson then I am happy to get rid of him. If it was other guys then get rid of them. Entitled little brats.

Trickle down effect

Real shitty thing to do for sure

 

[CommonSens]

So if this is about needing to ditch Karlsson for hockey/culture reasons, what’s with attaching Ryan’s contract? Wouldn’t that harm the return as well?

The team doesn’t care about the return.

Getting rid of Ryans contract isnt going to be pretty I'm guessing down right impossible given his recent history. Attaching it to Karlssons will make it easier to swallow.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

This is why I find it so funny that 80% of the Sens forum is up in arms saying we never tried to build a winning team around EK. Such short memories...

I think fans are up in arms at the fact that what they tried didn't work and they didn't have a contingency plan. Some of the moves were questionable.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

If that's the case and it was Karlsson then I am happy to get rid of him. If it was other guys then get rid of them. Entitled little brats.

There has to be a trigger for employees of a company to be insubordinate. Given all accounts most of the guys in the locker room are standup guys without any attitude problems.

 

[DueDiligence]

Neither Hossa or Havlat demanded trades. You can't just make stuff like this up.

Poster didn't say that. He said Hossa and Havlat demanded "market value" . Then they got traded. Which is true.

 

[bigsby]

@Variable26

I guess it depends on your definition if all in. In my opinion, it means mortgaging your future picks and increasing salary to substantially increase your roster. The Duchene trade would have been all in if they had kept Turris as well. It was more lateral, even though I would agree Duchene is the better player

 

[DueDiligence]

There has to be a trigger for employees of a company to be insubordinate. Given all accounts most of the guys in the locker room are standup guys without any attitude problems.

Guess what? Some employees aren't good guys and takes very little to set them off. And as you said "most of the guys"; not all!

 

[HSF]

This is nothing new.
Hossa demanded (and got) market value. Traded.
Havlat asked for market value. Traded.
Chara asked for market value. Let walk as a FA.
Alfie.... stayed for years under market value. They never bothered to pay the man, so he left.

The only difference this time is everybody knows Karlsson is a sure-fire HOFer and if thats not enough to finally say "Ok fine. Market value is totally fair." then what is?

The cap was brought in when we had to sign Chara and redden it wasnt realistic to sign both at the time

Havlat wanted more than his value 6mill at that time for him was crazy and we dodged a bullet on that one

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Guess what? Some employees aren't good guys and takes very little to set them off. And as you said "most of the guys"; not all!

Have you worked for a company where your boss was mistreating fellow employees?

 

[HSF]

@Variable26

I guess it depends on your definition if all in. In my opinion, it means mortgaging your future picks and increasing salary to substantially increase your roster. The Duchene trade would have been all in if they had kept Turris as well. It was more lateral, even though I would agree Duchene is the better player

You have to give to get. Getting a top center like Duchene is so hard in this leaguel

 

[HSF]

Have you worked for a company where your boss was mistreating fellow employees?

it seems both sides are petty af. Turning up the music when ur gm comes in lol.

 

[DueDiligence]

@Variable26

I guess it depends on your definition if all in. In my opinion, it means mortgaging your future picks and increasing salary to substantially increase your roster. The Duchene trade would have been all in if they had kept Turris as well. It was more lateral, even though I would agree Duchene is the better player

OK so think this through. 1) How do they make a trade for Duchene by losing no one off their roster and 2) how do they fit his salary under the cap without losing a salary off their roster?

 

[bigsby]

You have to give to get. Getting a top center like Duchene is so hard in this leaguel

Absolutely! But with how much we gave, I think it cancelled calling it an all-in trade.

 

[HSF]

Absolutely! But with how much we gave, I think it cancelled calling it an all-in trade.

I don't think so since Duchene is a much better player tjan turris

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The thing that gets me, is we pretty much went "all in" to get Duchene. Why? We knew Brass was going to miss some time, and we knew it would be a long time for Erik to get back to 100% (if he does)....so why the urgency? If they really thought Turris was going to walk, they could still get a great package for him at the trade deadline. Why not wait for awhile to see how things shake out with the team?

And even now....moving Brass, and possibly moving other core players...why blow it up now? Why not see how well Duchene develops chemistry with Hoff, how White & Chabot develop, how Erik looks at the end of the year (or even in October), before making a big move? What if Andy figures things out by April? What if things start to come around by the end of the year?

 

[BondraTime]

OK so think this through. 1) How do they make a trade for Duchene by losing no one off their roster and 2) how do they fit his salary under the cap without losing a salary off their roster?

Are they not 10ish million below the ceiling?

Budget wise, sure

 

[bigsby]

OK so think this through. 1) How do they make a trade for Duchene by losing no one off their roster and 2) how do they fit his salary under the cap without losing a salary off their roster?

1) My first post: mortgaging the future. Picks/prospects. Did you read? Who did Nashville give away to get Turris that severely affected their team? Nobody.

2) Pittsburgh literally just traded for Brassard in a 3 team trade at 40 percent retention from a third party team to keep them under the cap and you're actually asking me this considering our own team was involved in it?

Look. All I'm saying is I don't feel it was an all-in trade. Feel free to disagree

 

[DueDiligence]

Have you worked for a company where your boss was mistreating fellow employees?

Oh my gawd. You make it sound like these guys are working at Tim Horton's for minimum wage and Pierre cancelled all their breaks!

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Oh my gawd. You make it sound like these guys are working at Tim Horton's for minimum wage and Pierre cancelled all their breaks!

No I'm saying that everyone has a limit.

 

[DueDiligence]

Are they not 10ish million below the ceiling?

Budget wise, sure

Not at the time they did the deal. They still had Phaneuf and Brassard.

 

[BondraTime]

Not at the time they did the deal. They still had Phaneuf and Brassard.

Correct, I was wrong

 

[DueDiligence]

No I'm saying that everyone has a limit.

Yes and some guys have short fuses and are entitled little boys.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

It's seriously at the point where I need a different hobby or sport to keep me distracted from everything that is shit with this organization. I can't commit myself to care about another NHL team, so right now my hopes lie with the Raptors.

So far just because the inept of this ownership and management we have lost the following players

Alfie
Spezza
Alfie again
Methot
Turris
And now Karlsson.