Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by cheech70, Apr 15, 2018.
why do I get the impression that some are acting like Pool party is a toss in at this point in time?
Not even a little bit interested in a 30 year old free agent winger and a meh pick for a top 4 defenceman.
And then sit back and watch as some of my fellow Oiler fans try and justify that the team is better off with Larsson+whichever 2nd line winger they get for Klefbom than they would be with Hall+Klefbom
No for the Rangers although I’d be interested in Klefbom, I think he’ll have a bounce back year. Not at the cost of Kreider though, he’s likely the next captain (if we decide to run with a captain next year) hes improves tremendously and has insane chemistry with Zibby.
Zucc could be had for a 1st
Klefbom and Slepyshev for Kreider and DeAngelo. Rangers aren't getting Klef for much less.
So NYR get two cost control young players and EDM gets
Zuccarello 30 yrs old UFAafter next season
Kreider 2 yrs left UFA
I would like Kreider but not for that package
I don't like this deal for either team. Rangers need to improve on the wing. We'd have Klef, Staal, Shatty, Pionk, Smith, Skjei, DeAngelo and a few prospects who will be competing for a bottom spot. If we're going to trade wingers for a Defensemen, somebody has to go.
Obviously......Up in Smoke
The Oilers will likely have to bite on something and wave goodbye to at least one good young piece that fans may not like to see go, and Klefbom has to be at least on the table, but this particular deal here I would not do if I were them. They'd be dealing two very good players at the beginning of their careers, and selling low.
we already took the hit with the Hall trade--wont and do not need to it again
I don't mean loss, but rather deal a good young piece. If they hope to improve at all now via the trade market, it'll have to happen. Sekera won't fetch what they need, neither will Caggiula, or Montoya.
Only other option is for Chiarelli to unload some money, and dip into the UFA market. Without looking at their financials going forward, I'm not sure what they could afford as it stands.
I fully understand. If I'm EDM, no way do I even consider trading him. What happened to him and Larsson this season?
For 20 games to start the season the entire team sucked.
Klefbom just had surgery to remove 20+ bone chips in his shoulder - the kid was playing through quite a bit of pain and it really affected his offense.
Larsson was Larsson - a physical, punishing #2 defenceman with limited offense. His father died quite suddenly in-season which obviously affected him a great deal.
I dont think so.
Kreider is more valuable than Klefbom and it would take more than him to get Kreider from NYR
Rangers wouldn't do this. Not discussing "value."
Lol oilers are in DIRE need of top 4 dmen. At least give them that pionk kid if you take klefbom.
He's really not but okay.
we take a flyer on Klef at the right price, otherwise not interested
Puulj is not yet all that and a bag of chips -- he has potential to get there, but that remains to be seen, esp as to skating. He's not a mere throw in, but he is nowhere near Kreider or guarantee of Kreider on elc
Zuc for Fox + Cal 2019 1st is smarter
The deal here is not OP
Zib Skjei + Andersson
OEL + AZ 2018 unprotected
OEL + DeAngelo
EDM 2018, 2019 1sts unprotected + Puul + Klef
and if Oil don't want that, fine
Leafs etc will pay for OEL
Rangers give up the two clear NHL players.
I’m sorry what in the actual ****?
You rob Arizona blind then turn around a rob the Oilers blind for FAR MORE than you gave up?
Sweet Jesus no.
does not rob AZ blind.
taking into account age, salary, term and righty shot for a guy who can C or W, Zib is a solid core for return
Skjei is not chopped liver
Andersson was 7OA. While the AZ pick COULD hit 1OA, it could hit 4OA.
Unless it is Dahlin at 1OA, which is a small risk, even with this year being a supposedly deeper draft and returning a potentially better player, Andersson is a good down payment vs the potential of pick 2-4OA, and he is available immediately as elc.
Skjei just entering RFA.
AZ wants to take next step and contend. My deal accelerates that. Other than Dahlin, the 2018 1st has to go to the farm for a bit.
As to reaming the Oilers on the return,
McD got 2018 1st, 2019 2nd that can morph into a 1st, and 2 solid prospects +. And we all agree OEL > McD.
There is a risk/reward scenario on OEL, and if Oilers don't want to pay it, fine, someone else will. But as explained it could help straighten out your back end enough to have a shot at Karlsson as UFA.
I don't blame you when LeoDrai first came up he was a mess for about 2 months, then got his bearings, and look at him now. Puulj is taking longer, fine. He clearly has something to offer and is likely to make it as an NHL player, although it is fair to note concern about his skating to date.
He could be a Drai lite, or he could be another Sam Reinhart.
If you want to wait, fine, and we can discuss his value at another time. But we are not assuming at this point he turns into the better scenario if we have to pay to find out.
And give McDavid and Draisatil are off limits, which they should be, there is not much else other than the picks and Poolparty that are of interest.
Klefbom was nice, solid enough, but not world class defender.
He then got injured. Nobody's fault, just reality.
You always hope a guy returns, esp if he was not a bum in the first place.
Modern medicine is a good thing, but sometimes athletes do not measure up to their former selves upon a return. Again, given that reality, RD v lefty supply and demand, and upside of DeA, while I would not today swap them 1:1 it is not unreasonable given the totality of the deal, incl Oil need to come up with player for cap balance.
If you're married to Klef, I'd consider Nurse w/his slightly smaller $ adequate.
Sekera is too banged up and already immobile.
No. Nurse is even more unavailable than Klefbom.
If we want OEL, we’ll deal with Arizona before you slap your ranger tax on him.
Rangers have Skjei
+ 3 LD prospects sooner than later
Sean Day the following season
we don't need Klefbom, but I recognize he is a useful asset to add at the right price.
OP overrated how much we need/should pay for him
Whether or not EDM should go there or keep him is another story, esp since his value goes up if he proves for a yr + he is back in top form.
Knock yourself out.
We can say ballpark Andersson and Puulj are ballpark close.
But unless you put Drai on the table, you don't have enough to match Zib + Skjei
also AZ wants to push ahead now, futures alone will not cut it.