Rumor: Oilers ‘full court press’ to find forward help

[SourOil]

Let's not derail this thread. I highly doubt Horvat or anyone else said anything even remotely like that.

Now onto bashing Chiarelli and the requisite terrible trade proposals that fleece the Oilers...

Yeah .. cause this thread is so riveting with quality content.

I do what I want.

 

[russ99]

He is too young to conclude anything, Oiler fans are willing to wait and see.

Comparing him to Yakupov, who didn't know how to play the game of hockey because no one bothered to teach him, tells me you don't know much about Puljujarvi.

Not even close. Puljujarvi does many things at an NHL level. The issue is the instinct to the net and being able to score seems to be some of those things he doesn't do at an NHL level. In the NHL if you have to stop and think about what to do, you're not going to do it.

This year is a real danger for him, he should be acclimated to North American hockey by now, but if he's not given AHL development time to get that muscle memory to do things on offense that lead to goals, he's going to end up a 3rd line checking forward and a good one, but with limited offense.

Reminds me way more of a better version of Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson. Kind of funny that Hitch messed up MPS by not giving him NHL time and Hitch is also messing up Puljujarvi by not giving him AHL time.

A smart team would nab him and give him AHL time the rest of the way and keep him in North America this summer to train, then he could make an NHL impact at some point next season.

 

[Srsly]

Ethan Bear

I'd consider it. Both players have exceeded their draft position and Bear plays a position of need for the Leafs. He has great hands and will likely be an amazing power play specialist if he manages to put it together. My only reluctance is that I'd prefer someone better defensively that can contribute sooner than later. We have a number of offensive defensemen but not so much when it comes to the stabilizing stay at home variety.

 

[TFHockey]

Not even close. Puljujarvi does many things at an NHL level. The issue is the instinct to the net and being able to score seems to be some of those things he doesn't do at an NHL level. In the NHL if you have to stop and think about what to do, you're not going to do it.

This year is a real danger for him, he should be acclimated to North American hockey by now, but if he's not given AHL development time to get that muscle memory to do things on offense that lead to goals, he's going to end up a 3rd line checking forward and a good one, but with limited offense.

Reminds me way more of a better version of Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson. Kind of funny that Hitch messed up MPS by not giving him NHL time and Hitch is also messing up Puljujarvi by not giving him AHL time.

A smart team would nab him and give him AHL time the rest of the way and keep him in North America this summer to train, then he could make an NHL impact at some point next season.

I totally agree.

I am on record, here and on twitter, calling Edmonton out for not putting Puljujarvi in the AHL and keeping him there for a full year. Let him score at a PPG basis in the minors and his confidence will translate into NHL production. Simple equation. Think farther ahead than this season.

 

[Backhandbeauty]

Any are good deals. You rid yourself of an busted prospect and get a proven 20 goal scoring forward with a head on his shoulders in his own end or a top 6 d-man who can protect McDavid and change the culture in your room.

Why are you trying to trade your pieces that hold value for a busted prospect. Either you're full of crap about your pieces,their piece or both.

 

[Viqsi]

The issue is, no one is ever stating that you could move Benn down to the second line and it'll be hunky dory. It's a very HFOil thing to make it seem like McDavid, Nugent Hopkins and Draisaitl are all elite centres, and that centre depth is one of the best in the league; when it's proven that outside of McDavid none of them paces elite numbers down the middle without him.

Everyone knows the Stars are a one line team. Everyone should know the Oilers are a one player team.

My argument here was that the Oil don't need a remake the bottom 6, they need more elite forward pieces.

I find the start of your premise somewhat reasonable but disagree strongly with several of your conclusions. Just because Draisaitl and RNH might not be epic elite badasses independent of McDavid doesn't mean the Oilers need actual elite badasses in their place. They're still very good players in their own right, after all - the idea of "just play anyone with [insert superstar here] and they'll take over the world" is largely a myth; you need SOME ability to keep up with the star's play. RNH and Draisaitl clearly have that in spades, and they've shown more beyond that in the past. They don't have to be franchise players in their own right to be a critical part of the Oilers going forward.

IMO what they really need is more scoring depth. That would go a long way towards covering for other holes. Prospect development over there, in particular, really badly needs a swift kick in the ass.

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AS much as you or any other poster here.

Just because none of us are pros at this doesn't mean we're all equal in our evaluations.

 

[MinJaBen]

What would be the offer from Oiler fans for Ferland, assuming he is not signing and we are selling at the deadline?

 

[Double Dion]

What would be the offer from Oiler fans for Ferland, assuming he is not signing and we are selling at the deadline?

I like Ferland a lot. I'd offer a 2020 2nd + B prospect from the Flames. Anyone not named Dube from the farm or drafted.

 

[Volica]

I find the start of your premise somewhat reasonable but disagree strongly with several of your conclusions. Just because Draisaitl and RNH might not be epic elite badasses independent of McDavid doesn't mean the Oilers need actual elite badasses in their place. They're still very good players in their own right, after all - the idea of "just play anyone with [insert superstar here] and they'll take over the world" is largely a myth; you need SOME ability to keep up with the star's play. RNH and Draisaitl clearly have that in spades, and they've shown more beyond that in the past. They don't have to be franchise players in their own right to be a critical part of the Oilers going forward.

That wasn't my point. My point was they need additional elite forwards. In addition to what they have already.
If you're top 6 is essentially: McDavid, RNH and Draisaitl; and the rest of the 3 guys up there aren't even NHL caliber outside of the 4th line on most teams, you have an issue.

The point I'm trying to make is that, yes, they need a better bottom 6. But also, YES, they need a better top 6 as well.

 

[Viqsi]

That wasn't my point. My point was they need additional elite forwards. In addition to what they have already.
If you're top 6 is essentially: McDavid, RNH and Draisaitl; and the rest of the 3 guys up there aren't even NHL caliber outside of the 4th line on most teams, you have an issue.

The point I'm trying to make is that, yes, they need a better bottom 6. But also, YES, they need a better top 6 as well.

It's the "additional elite level" I find problematic. Just find guys who can get good chemistry with good players, and that ought to handle it. Right now, they've got waiver wire pickups, UFA mistakes, and sadness.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What would be the offer from Oiler fans for Ferland, assuming he is not signing and we are selling at the deadline?

If it was me, nothing - assuming he wants to head to free agency. We should not be chasing rentals.

He’s probably worth a 2nd and a good prospect. Or a low 1st.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

That wasn't my point. My point was they need additional elite forwards. In addition to what they have already.
If you're top 6 is essentially: McDavid, RNH and Draisaitl; and the rest of the 3 guys up there aren't even NHL caliber outside of the 4th line on most teams, you have an issue.

The point I'm trying to make is that, yes, they need a better bottom 6. But also, YES, they need a better top 6 as well.

That’s not the case at all. McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH stack up to most of the rest of the NHL in terms of ‘elite’ level forwards.

It’s not that a team like the Flames has such a better top 3 than the Oilers - heck you could make the argument that McDavid-Drai-RNH are every bit as good as Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk, if not better. Same deal with pretty much any team in the league.

Where the huge imbalance occurs is after that it’s Chiasson, Lucic, Khaira, Puljujarvi vs Backlund/Lindholm/Jankowski/Bennett.

 

[TFHockey]

That’s not the case at all. McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH stack up to most of the rest of the NHL in terms of ‘elite’ level forwards.

It’s not that a team like the Flames has such a better top 3 than the Oilers - heck you could make the argument that McDavid-Drai-RNH are every bit as good as Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk, if not better. Same deal with pretty much any team in the league.

Where the huge imbalance occurs is after that it’s Chiasson, Lucic, Khaira, Puljujarvi vs Backlund/Lindholm/Jankowski/Bennett.

and our D.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

and our D.

That also, but I’d argue that our top four defencemen are much closer to Calgary’s than our middle six forwards are.

 

[780il]

2nd + Benson + 2020 conditional 2nd/3rd is our max offer

 

[member 290103]

2nd + Benson + 2020 conditional 2nd/3rd is our max offer

That should be sufficient to pry a Granlund or Suttsy out of Van.

 

[780il]

That should be sufficient to pry a Granlund or Suttsy out of Van.

Problem is we don't want them

 

[member 290103]

Problem is we don't want them

The Oilers May tho

 

[780il]

The Oilers May tho

I'd actually take Sutter if you retained half and gave him to us for something like Samurukov + 2 3rds.

In other words, there is no deal to be made about this player cause Vancouver probably wouldn't do that.

 

[member 290103]

I'd actually take Sutter if you retained half and gave him to us for something like Samurukov + 2 3rds.

In other words, there is no deal to be made about this player cause Vancouver probably wouldn't do that.

There’s a deal to be made here. Sutter would thrive in AB. You may pry him out at 50% retained for a puljujarvi. Dim Benning is big on reclamation projects.

 

[780il]

There’s a deal to be made here. Sutter would thrive in AB. You may pry him out at 50% retained for a puljujarvi. Dim Benning is big on reclamation projects.

No chance Pulju goes for a 3c in his late 20's

 

[member 290103]

No chance Pulju goes for a 3c in his late 20's

Why? He’s barely an NHL player at this point? He is quite likely a yakupov level bust.

 

[780il]

Why? He’s barely an NHL player at this point? He is quite likely a yakupov level bust.

I guess the Nucks could also fetch a Matt Benning for Olli Juolevi then. He's a massive bust that also extremely injury prone right? Benning can fill in rn for you while the Oilers take on a massive bust as a reclamation project. Juolevi hasn't even played an NHL game yet, that kid is toast.

Am I doing this right?

 

[member 290103]

I guess the Nucks could also fetch a Matt Benning for Olli Juolevi then. He's a massive bust that also extremely injury prone right? Benning can fill in rn for you while the Oilers take on a massive bust as a reclamation project.

Am I doing this right?

Yes, u are. I would expect Juolevi to have very minimal value now. He’s very similar to Puljujarvi, except unlike Puljujarvi he had not outright proven to be a bust at the nhl level...

 

[topshelf15]

The Oil need sustainable forward help, not a rental...So any deal that has them getting a t6 forward likely comes with a cap dump going the other way and a signed or soon to be signed player coming back....There are some options but its likely going to cost them