Waived: NYR - Tony DeAngelo CLEARED waivers

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Agreed 100%. We're not in the position to deny On Ice Talent, regardless of some off ice issue(s), those can be overcome.

$4.3 salary; $4.8 caphit through 21-22, pending RFA. 1pt/6gp, -6. Worth the small risk, potential trade bait. Moves Staal to the Uber Minivan.

I wonder if Tony being a known conservative & voicing his opinion on social media has anything to do with his being waived, even a little bit. ?? (not wanting to open up a can of political worms discussion, just wanna know if that was the actual reason behind the waiving...as it relates to hockey).

I have a hunch SY will pick him up, we need the talent infusion & a shakeup too. 2 birds, 1 stone, even if that stone is kryptonite. (kryptonite still has it's merits, some would argue it's precious).

Politics aside, the guy is a defensive liability and a shitbird. The politics is just the icing on an otherwise giant shit cake.

If this were EA Sports NHL 2021 then picking up DeAngelo for free is a no risk move. But in the real world if you inject f***ed up personality like that into a team that is struggling to build an identity it's going to cause major problems. How soon before the guy fights with a teammate? Says something derogatory? Then eventually locker room cliques form. Yzerman survived those days in 1980's Detroit. He's smart enough to not bring them back.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yeah... guy could be Donald Trump idiot fan and done stupid thing on Twitter... but man...

...he is exactly what we need. Young, PP specialist, great puckmover and could be that 3rd righty to have perfect pairs.

Yzerman has traded him once, but so he did with Namestnikov.

It's an asset offered for free just like Namestnikov. It has only positive value added.

Contract isn't multi-year either if he becomes a problem and need toget rid of him.

There's no risk. At all.

Namestnikov was a hockey trade. DeAngelo was a get the f*** away from my team trade.

One is not equivalent to the other.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Uhhhh yes please and thank you

What’s there to lose?

uh, the locker room?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Close and merge plzkthnx

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Yep.

Yzerman knows him. If he really is that bad, he'll avoid him.

If he believes he has matured a bit, then he'll make a claim.

funny thing about the Sean Avery analogy, he was part of the Mathieu Schneider trade, then later traded to NYR, then to DAL, then back to NYR on waivers.

Point being, even low talent c*cks like Avery have some value league wide. Now add RHS, premium position (D), PMD & PP weapon, youngish, RFA, 2nd pairing, not cost-prohibitive/absorbable salary & caphit. This is a No Brainer.


(for reference)

• 2003-Mar-11 Traded from Detroit Red Wings with Maxim Kuznetsov, round 1 pick in the 2003 draft (Jeff Tambellini) and round 2 pick in the 2004 draft to Los Angeles Kings for Mathieu Schneider
• 2007-Feb-05 Traded from Los Angeles Kings with John Seymour and conditional pick in the 2008 draft to New York Rangers for Jan Marek, Jason Ward, Marc-Andre Cliche and conditional pick in the 2008 draft
• 2009-Mar-03 Claimed off waivers by New York Rangers from Dallas Stars

 

[Peter Tosh]

Yep.

Yzerman knows him. If he really is that bad, he'll avoid him.

If he believes he has matured a bit, then he'll make a claim.

Would be fun if it happened. Always exciting with reclamation projects. Ottawa is last in the league, though, so I guess they have first dibs

 

[ShippinItDaily]

I don't think Yzerman will claim him and I don't think he should either.

Use the cap space in a more productive way and keep low character players away from this organization.

 

[abbbaron]

Politics aside, the guy is a defensive liability and a shitbird. The politics is just the icing on an otherwise giant shit cake.

If this were EA Sports NHL 2021 then picking up DeAngelo for free is a no risk move. But in the real world if you inject f***ed up personality like that into a team that is struggling to build an identity it's going to cause major problems. How soon before the guy fights with a teammate? Says something derogatory? Then eventually locker room cliques form. Yzerman survived those days in 1980's Detroit. He's smart enough to not bring them back.

He reportedly already has had a dust-up with a teammate. They've referenced it on the rumor board

 

[Chris 84]

At the deadline.
Some team is going to need help.

sure, but there are no guarantees anyone wants him then.
i hope they stay far away from the guy, but you're right that it is possible that he could be a useful asset to move in the future.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Not a chance

His NHL career is over

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Would be fun if it happened. Always exciting with reclamation projects. Ottawa is last in the league, though, so I guess they have first dibs

I thought I read in Jan '21, that they go by last years final standings, until 30 days are complete in the new NHL season...? (in which case we'd get 1st dibs) Maybe I misread it?

Can anyone clarify?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Not a chance

His NHL career is over

There's always the KHL. They don't give a shit what a player says or does.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Politics aside, the guy is a defensive liability and a shitbird. The politics is just the icing on an otherwise giant shit cake.

If this were EA Sports NHL 2021 then picking up DeAngelo for free is a no risk move. But in the real world if you inject f***ed up personality like that into a team that is struggling to build an identity it's going to cause major problems. How soon before the guy fights with a teammate? Says something derogatory? Then eventually locker room cliques form. Yzerman survived those days in 1980's Detroit. He's smart enough to not bring them back.

All valid points to a degree. But the world isn't so Black & White, there's Gray/Grey & every other color in between, in the proverbial spectrum...(not referring to race/skin color obviously), just saying it's not so cut & dry if that makes sense.

Has DeAngelo said anything derogatory towards teammates/coaches/team mgmt etc? (I'm not in the Twitterverse, so I wouldn't know), nor do I follow DeAngelo on any other SM. Sean Avery (who I can't stand) was also a troublemaker, yet he had some value, as he was involved in several trades. Point being, even low talent c*cks like Avery have some value league wide.

Now add:
RHS,
premium position (D),
PMD & PP weapon,
youngish, RFA,
2nd pairing,
not cost-prohibitive/absorbable salary & caphit.

This is a No Brainer.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Would be extremely disappointed and question whether to stay a fan if we claim him.

Stay far, FAR away.

Why such disdain? (not agreeing or disagreeing with your position, just trying to understand your thoughts on DeAngelo)

 

[Henkka]

I wouldn't mind at all if this guy would add some fire to our lazy-ass lockerrom. They seem to play better when pissed of.

 

[Stony Curtis]

I wonder if Tony being a known conservative & voicing his opinion on social media has anything to do with his being waived, even a little bit. ??

There are two separate ideas in this part of your post. I'm pretty sure no GM would care about any players political affiliation. If they did, shame on them. Some, or maybe even most, would care if a player flaunts that shit on the internet, especially in a reckless or aggressive manner. Churchill said something like "STFU or everyone will know you're a fecking eejit." Only he said it with a proper English accent.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

All valid points to a degree. But the world isn't so Black & White, there's Gray/Grey & every other color in between, in the proverbial spectrum...(not referring to race/skin color obviously), just saying it's not so cut & dry if that makes sense.

Has DeAngelo said anything derogatory towards teammates/coaches/team mgmt etc? (I'm not in the Twitterverse, so I wouldn't know), nor do I follow DeAngelo on any other SM. Sean Avery (who I can't stand) was also a troublemaker, yet he had some value, as he was involved in several trades. Point being, even low talent c*cks like Avery have some value league wide.

Now add:
RHS,
premium position (D),
PMD & PP weapon,
youngish, RFA,
2nd pairing,
not cost-prohibitive/absorbable salary & caphit.

This is a No Brainer.

Rumor has it that the leadership group in Detroit lobbied to get Avery off the team when Yzerman was here.

A team has to measure how much risk it's willing to take when acquiring a player like DeAngelo.

He's a risk everytime he's in his own zone to turn over the puck, miss his assignment when the other team is buzzing, or in making an ill advised pinch. He's not just bad defensively. He's f***ing terrible.

He's a risk to destroy the kind of locker room culture we hope turns us into winners again. It's been stated he takes out losses on his teammates. That's the last thing we need as a losing team.

He's a PR risk to the organization for his bizarre statements in social media. And this is an organization that more or less cut ties with Kid Rock for less outlandish statements.

It's a no brainer to pass on him. I'd rather have Bowey back or give Cholowski a chance before I let this guy wear a winged wheel.

 

[Ezekial]

I wonder if Tony being a known conservative & voicing his opinion on social media has anything to do with his being waived, even a little bit. ?? (not wanting to open up a can of political worms discussion, just wanna know if that was the actual reason behind the waiving...as it relates to hockey).

The guy got duped into admitting he had a burner account because someone posted something like this

and said it proved it.


He may be conservative, but he's also a racist misogynist douche bag who treats people like shit.

 

[WaW]

I wonder if Tony being a known conservative & voicing his opinion on social media has anything to do with his being waived, even a little bit. ??

DeAngelo isn't a "conservative." He's full on alt-right and known for spreading QAnon propaganda on twitter. That's not conservatism, it's flat out delusional.

So if his politics have anything to do with it, know that it's not for "being conservative." It's for being a deluded jackass.

 

[Winger98]

Deangelo's personal opinions aside, he also seems to have been outplayed by Brendan Smith so far this year. I was for giving him a shot over the summer, when I honestly assumed he'd come a bit cheaper than for what the Rags signed him for, but given he seems to have so killed his chances in NYR already and that we're clearly not looking to be a decent team in the near future, just stay away. I don't think he'd be worth the hassle.

 

[raymond23]

uh, the locker room?

The locker room is already lost. Maybe adding some talent and winning games would help

Not a hill I’m going to die on but I don’t see the problem. If he becomes an issue you jettison him

 

[Henkka]

He's not just a "Donald Trump idiot fan" though, he's an abusive, racist, malignant individual. This is the 3rd NHL organization he'll be getting ejected from. The risk is him pissing off the entire locker room

Fine, if Stevie knows this is impossible to handle, then he'll avoid him.

Still think our lockerroom would need something that really shakes things up. Maybe it's not DeAngelo but somebody else.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

You can be an economic conservative all you want but the second you support far-right policies, then you're out of a league dominated by Cdns and Europeans

Tough luck

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yzerman was pretty quick to get rid of him before, I would be surprised if he did this. It would certainly help our PP though and I think he has played with Staal before in terms of a pairing so it isn't crazy from a hockey point of view. But a lot of baggage there, so I doubt we see it.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Why such disdain? (not agreeing or disagreeing with your position, just trying to understand your thoughts on DeAngelo)

Horrible person. What would be hard to understand?