AirGut
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Henrique (-50%) + Vatrano
for
Kakko + 2024 2nd + 2025 1st
for
Kakko + 2024 2nd + 2025 1st
I feel like Anaheim fans would want more…. But I suppose kakko is kinda the X factor, if team is high on him.Henrique (-50%) + Vatrano
for
Kakko + 2024 2nd + 2025 1st
Like it or not the proposal is pretty easy to break down:That's probably too much to offer. I don't know why you'd go to 2025 for the 1st. Kakko may not be currently a top 6 player, but definitely a solid top 9 guy with plenty of years to reach top 6 potential. Kakko and 2024 2nd would be plenty for 2 seasons of Vatrano and Henrique 1 season rental. To retain 50%, maybe that 2nd becomes a 1st, but more likely to add in a 3rd or 4th on top instead.
As fans, we always think there is going to be more value. Kakko is a much higher trade chip than people think. In 3 years he can be a whole different player. Mika didn't really blossom until about 26, as is the case for many players.
Kakko put up 37 even strength points last year as a 21/22 year old. Vatrano has never scored 37 ES points in a season, and Henrique has only done it once (almost 15 years ago). If Kakko is a bust, what does that make Vatrano and Henrique?The problem I have with this as a Ducks fan is quantifying what we'd be getting with Kakko. Everything I've been reading says he's very recently become good, finally? Are we taking on a bust? Where does he fit in our rebuild?
Henrique (-50%) + Vatrano
for
Kakko + 2024 2nd + 2025 1st
The proposal is fair in terms of value. Henrique and Vatrano are fits for the Rangers, but I try to find another way to make this deal. I’d rather add to the team, not take away.
NG for NYCurious, would Rags fans consider this worth it and how much do you think it would improve your cup chances?
The currency is bad for NYThe proposal is fair in terms of value. Henrique and Vatrano are fits for the Rangers, but I try to find another way to make this deal. I’d rather add to the team, not take away.
NG for NY
1. we can not and are not trading youth for age [vets]
against bern advice Rs stupidly did win now rentals = epic fail
we simply cannot continue to splurge like that anymore
2. Currency is wrong for NY
We want to keep Kakko. He was not bad as part of kid line w/lesser version of LaF, now redeployed, and Chytil, now out injured. Those are not his fault. Chemistry is real and can be important for youth + vets.
He has good chem now w/Cuylle + Brodz is ok, ok/+ as at minimum a stopgap on a line that is clicking and good.
3. Do not want.
Would love Vats if magically he showed up at unrealistic cost = being given away which ANA properly should not entertain.
We had a chance to extend Vats for close to his current deal.
Against my advice, we took on like 4 pieces of inferior/drek.
That ship has sailed.
And, now we should be giving mins to Othmann + Berard
so no there
4 REALLY do not want.
Henr.
for above + reasons in thread
here is the biz we can do immediately:
BMB [McConnell-Barker] + Vesey
for
Helleson + J. Perreault
why Ducks
neither on the roster
BMB younger, more cost controlled F, good investment to challenge/prompt exit of Strome in 2-ish yrs.
Vesey is productive now.
why Rs
we have zero RD depth
get Helly here now, play, accept growing pains, see if he dan stick.
If no, fine, then continue to develop, if yes put at 3RD + split Trouba betw 3RD and 4RW
J. Per flip to MON for RD Barron
The currency is bad for NY
Vesey is only vet with value we can spare.
Can do youth for youth
Oth + Ber ++
for
Zegras +
that takes from youth but replaces w/youth
some D fans and I disagree that the core of that is sufficient