Speculation: Noah Hanifin on the trade block

[Fatass]

I don't think so, I think that will be a package that gets shipped out to a Eastern Conference US team but Eichel is NOT the the return.

Eichel in Cow Town would be a big improvement. Then Monahan could fall into the number two role. Flames are giving up a lot though. Young 100 point forward, young top pairing D, and a first.
Smart way to maximize return for Hanifin.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I like Hanifin and his contract for NJ but some of these suggestions are crazy. He's unlikely a top pair guy, so you're talking about a 2nd pair LD signed for 4 more years at 5 million per. That's not that attractive. The main plus is his age makes him unlikely to completely fall off.

I value him at about 20th overall or 18th overall alone right now and even then I don't know if I do it.

 

[Video Coach]

Flames fans or people that have watched Hanifin play more than 20 games in the past 2 years - what is Hanifin? Is he a 23 yr old d man who is still improving his consistency, d zone play, and offense? Or is he a brain dead, never gonna put it all together, toolsy player, that has plateaued?

 

[Right Wing]

Gaudreau
Hanifin
B Robinson
2020 2nd
2020 4th

for

18th & 20th
Damon Severson
Kyle Palmieri
Nolan Foote

 

[Body Checker]

Flames fans or people that have watched Hanifin play more than 20 games in the past 2 years - what is Hanifin? Is he a 23 yr old d man who is still improving his consistency, d zone play, and offense? Or is he a brain dead, never gonna put it all together, toolsy player, that has plateaued?

I thought he looked more dynamic and offensive under Peters. Ward reigned him in and he didn’t get any PP time. I actually would like to see him get a lengthy look on the first PP unit. He’s got high skill but yeah the brain farts are there. I am very reluctant to see him leave though. I think with the right coach he could be scary good.

 

[Tkachuky]

Flames fans or people that have watched Hanifin play more than 20 games in the past 2 years - what is Hanifin? Is he a 23 yr old d man who is still improving his consistency, d zone play, and offense? Or is he a brain dead, never gonna put it all together, toolsy player, that has plateaued?

Having been paired with Hamonic definitely affected his game. Unfortunately that pairing did not work very well. I’d say he has room to grow and of given a good partner he will do so... he’s 23.

your last statement is weird because even if he stays the same, he isn’t brain dead. He’s a solid top 4 guy.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I like Hanifin and his contract for NJ but some of these suggestions are crazy. He's unlikely a top pair guy, so you're talking about a 2nd pair LD signed for 4 more years at 5 million per. That's not that attractive. The main plus is his age makes him unlikely to completely fall off.

I value him at about 20th overall or 18th overall alone right now and even then I don't know if I do it.

the guy had a +18 season as a 21 year second pair old 6’3 Defencemen who skates like the wind. He absolutely has top pair potential. He’s just inconsistent and it showed this year. But his raw ability is special. Defencemen peak from 24-33 usually. 18 or 20th is laughable. Look at what you got for Blake Coleman. How is Hanifin with 4 years worth significantly less than Coleman for 1 and a half?

 

[CupInSIX]

Hanifin getting way over valued.

He's right at that age where these types of Dmen break out. In Hamilton's case, they at least knew he could score 17g before moving him.

So this is why they fired Shero? Because he didn't, or because he was about to?

 

[SnipeNCelly]

Gaudreau
Hanifin
B Robinson
2020 2nd
2020 4th

for

18th & 20th
Damon Severson
Kyle Palmieri
Nolan Foote

Horrendous

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

the guy had a +18 season as a 21 year second pair old 6’3 Defencemen who skates like the wind. He absolutely has top pair potential. He’s just inconsistent and it showed this year. But his raw ability is special. Defencemen peak from 24-33 usually. 18 or 20th is laughable. Look at what you got for Blake Coleman. How is Hanifin with 4 years worth significantly less than Coleman for 1 and a half?

Skjei for what was projected to be a late 1st is a better comparable imo. Similar player, similar contract, and that was seen as a bit of an overpayment even.

Coleman's package was due to his contract and TB's deciding they needed what he brought for two seasons, aren't many bottom 6 guys that score at top 6 rates, signed to deals like that. I don't see a GM thinking they need what Hanifin brings and going over the top to acquire it.

 

[viper0220]

Gaudreau
Hanifin
B Robinson
2020 2nd
2020 4th

for

18th & 20th
Damon Severson
Kyle Palmieri
Nolan Foote

Palmieri has all Canadian team on his No Movement cause.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Honestly I wouldn’t move Hanifin for Ehlers. That’s a bad deal for Calgary.

 

[tmurfin]

Flames fans or people that have watched Hanifin play more than 20 games in the past 2 years - what is Hanifin? Is he a 23 yr old d man who is still improving his consistency, d zone play, and offense? Or is he a brain dead, never gonna put it all together, toolsy player, that has plateaued?

He’s got tons of room to grow and he does show flashes of brilliance, so I think there’s tons of potential still there. The second part is not correct in any sense though, even if he plateaued today, he’s still an unspectacular 3/4 D, which has value in its own right.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Gaudreau
Hanifin
B Robinson
2020 2nd
2020 4th

for

18th & 20th
Damon Severson
Kyle Palmieri
Nolan Foote

One way of breaking down this trade proposal:

-> = roughly equal

Gaudreau -> 18th & 4th
Hanifin -> 20th
2nd & Robinson < or -> (that would be a stretch) Nolan Foote

Pamieri & Severson gifts to Calgary???

 

[CgyFlamesftw]

One way of breaking down this trade proposal:

-> = roughly equal

Gaudreau -> 18th & 4th
Hanifin -> 20th
2nd & Robinson < or -> (that would be a stretch) Nolan Foote

Pamieri & Severson gifts to Calgary???

Gaudreau is worth 2 spots ahead of Hanifin? Try again.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Gaudreau is worth 2 spots ahead of Hanifin? Try again.

All I'm trying to do (sole purpose) with my post is show that this isn't a very good or balanced trade for NJD.

The rest is detail and not very important. You can quibble with the details (e.g., replace the 4th with the 2nd for the Gaudreau segment, or make it quantity two 2nds plus Gaudreau, etc., whatever), but its forest versus trees.

 

[cheechoo]

One way of breaking down this trade proposal:

-> = roughly equal

Gaudreau -> 18th & 4th
Hanifin -> 20th
2nd & Robinson < or -> (that would be a stretch) Nolan Foote

Pamieri & Severson gifts to Calgary???

Uhh Calgary doesn't need to commit cap to average players like Palmieri

Gaudreau would command #7 + as a base. 7+20 is more along the lines

Hanifin to Severson is a downgrade.

Calgary's 2nd to Foote is a downgrade.

Horrendous

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I am a huge fan of Noah Hanifin and believe if he's with the right team he'd be one of the top dmen in the league. Thought he was a good fit with the Hurricanes and thought he would've been their captain one day. Would love him on the Jets but Morrissey has the 1LHD locked up.

If I was the NY Islanders I'd get right to it. He'd be the perfect 1D and pairing for Dobson.

 

[Canes]

I am a huge fan of Noah Hanifin and believe if he's with the right team he'd be one of the top dmen in the league. Thought he was a good fit with the Hurricanes and thought he would've been their captain one day. Would love him on the Jets but Morrissey has the 1LHD locked up.

If I was the NY Islanders I'd get right to it. He'd be the perfect 1D and pairing for Dobson.

As a fan of an Islanders divisional competitor, I too would love if they traded for him to be their #1 d-man.

 

[CraigsList]

One way of breaking down this trade proposal:

-> = roughly equal

Gaudreau -> 18th & 4th
Hanifin -> 20th
2nd & Robinson < or -> (that would be a stretch) Nolan Foote

Pamieri & Severson gifts to Calgary???

Gaudreau is not worth just 18th and a measly 4th come on.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Uhh Calgary doesn't need to commit cap to average players like Palmieri

Gaudreau would command #7 + as a base. 7+20 is more along the lines

Hanifin to Severson is a downgrade.

Calgary's 2nd to Foote is a downgrade.

Horrendous

Just my opinion, but NJD's #7 pick could be Rossi, Perfetti or Drysdale. Those picks have the potential to as good or possibly better than Gaudreau.

NJD would be better off keeping their 1st round picks in my opinion because they are a rebuilding team, and Gaudreau & Hanifin would add $11.7 m of cap to a team that has been spending closer to the cap floor than the cap ceiling. Gaudreau only has 2 years of term left on his contract, so the benefit of Gaudreau for NJD could be relatively short-lived. So, NJD does not need to trade their picks either.

Severson and Hanifin are different kind of defenders. Severson is more defensive and stay-at-home, Hanifin the offensive defenseman. Both styles play important roles on a team, so its a question of team needs I think.

*** So, to demonstrate the concept, if I revise to Gaudreau -> 18th, 20th, Foote, 2nd and Hanifin -> Severson + 4th, then I don't think Robinson is equal to Palmieri, no?

Not sure how you come to the conclusion that a 2nd > Foote as both are mystery boxes at this time.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Gaudreau is not worth just 18th and a measly 4th come on.

I said roughly equal & edited OP because people are more focused on details vs. the concept - see # 246. The actual, real point of the post was to demonstrate the concept. You (and others) seem to have missed this. Can't see continuing this discussion as a worthwhile endeavour.

 

[Richard88]

What would the cost be for Colorado to acquire Hanifin?

 

[treple13]

All I'm trying to do (sole purpose) with my post is show that this isn't a very good or balanced trade for NJD.

The rest is detail and not very important. You can quibble with the details (e.g., replace the 4th with the 2nd for the Gaudreau segment, or make it quantity two 2nds plus Gaudreau, etc., whatever), but its forest versus trees.

It's not forest vs. trees. Saying Gaudreau is worth 18 and a 4th is flat out ridiculous. IF Flames were interested (which I wouldn't be) in trading him, it'd take 7 and 18 plus more. Using it as "rough value" is preposterous as it's not close. How about the Flames give you 19 for Hughes then if rough value is all that matters?

 

[treple13]

What would the cost be for Colorado to acquire Hanifin?

If Calgary trades Hanafin, they need either a top 6 C/RW OR an equivalent RHD coming back