NHL to Seattle Volume XIV - Seattle sells 26,000 season ticket deposits in 2 hours

[tarheelhockey]

The common factor in a lot of dumb team names is fan contests.

 

[Daximus]

There's plenty of stupid names out there. The New York (Tex's) Rangers are a big one that just get a pass because they've been around forever. Same thing with Boston Bruins, which isn't even in the correct language and was mostly just there to allow use of the color brown, which isn't even a thing with them anymore.

Time makes all names seem okay. The Raptors were outdated as soon as they were named, but they're now the most famous raptor in Canada as long as the Jurassic Park franchise doesn't reboot again.

Time heals all stupid decisions is the point, I guess.

Signed,

Vegas Golden Knights Fan.

FYI Jurassic Park just came out with a new movie with sequels in the making. I agree the Bruins name was a dumb one as well. I just really like when a team uses some creativity and local culture to name their team. There is a boat load of it in the Seattle area to choose from. I really liked the Seattle Sasquatch. It's a local, big imposing cryptid that could make for some really interested color schemes and it checks the alliteration box.

 

[BattleBorn]

FYI Jurassic Park just came out with a new movie with sequels in the making. I agree the Bruins name was a dumb one as well. I just really like when a team uses some creativity and local culture to name their team. There is a boat load of it in the Seattle area to choose from. I really liked the Seattle Sasquatch. It's a local, big imposing cryptid that could make for some really interested color schemes and it checks the alliteration box.

I dislike non-plural names, so I'm out on Sasquatch on principle.

I'm not counting Jurassic World much in the grand scheme of things, since they were pushing Indomisaurus Rex or whatever Frankenstein's monster they were pretending to have created there. Though, I suppose the raptors saved the day in that one.

 

[PCSPounder]

It really doesn't it has absolutely nothing to do with your culture anymore than it has to do with Winnipegs culture who also has a large Scandinavian community. It's a beast from the north Atlantic. You guys can't even see the Atlantic from where you are.

I assure you that nobody can see sharks from San Jose, either.

 

[Daximus]

I assure you that nobody can see sharks from San Jose, either.

I assure you that they are there. Just go for a swim in the Bay.

 

[Daximus]

I dislike non-plural names, so I'm out on Sasquatch on principle.

I'm not counting Jurassic World much in the grand scheme of things, since they were pushing Indomisaurus Rex or whatever Frankenstein's monster they were pretending to have created there. Though, I suppose the raptors saved the day in that one.

Yeah that movie was all about the Raptors coming in clutch. Unlike the TO Raptors.

 

[superdeluxe]

Absolutely they do but the mythological beast the Kraken doesn't have anything to do with the Pacific Ocean or Seattle. It's history is traced to the North Atlantic off the coasts of Norway, Iceland, Canada and Greenland. I mean I'm splitting hairs here but it just erks me. Come up with something better that actually has to do with your local culture and history not just because it sounds cool.

Its history is linked with maritimes and Scandinavian culture, both very prominent in Seattle.

 

[Daximus]

Its history is linked with maritimes and Scandinavian culture, both very prominent in Seattle.

It's history is linked to Norwegian sailors, sailing the North Atlantic in and around the areas of Iceland and Greenland. There's a Mount Olympus in Washington as well might as well call them the Titans.

 

[superdeluxe]

It's history is linked to Norwegian sailors, sailing the North Atlantic in and around the areas of Iceland and Greenland. There's a Mount Olympus in Washington as well might as well call them the Titans.

Not even the same comparison, but keep on trying.

 

[Daximus]

Not even the same comparison, but keep on trying.

Pretty much the exact same. You have Greek population in the city. Boom problem solved call them the Titans it's basically the exact same reasoning. People just like the name because it sounds cool, which is fine but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it. But don't try and pull over some far reaching reasoning for it on me. It just sounds cool that is literally the only reason for it even being an option.

 

[superdeluxe]

Pretty much the exact same. You have Greek population in the city. Boom problem solved call them the Titans it's basically the exact same reasoning. People just like the name because it sounds cool, which is fine but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it. But don't try and pull over some far reaching reasoning for it on me. It just sounds cool that is literally the only reason for it even being an option.

Lol. Ok. I obviously can't convince you how important to the cities history and culture the Scandinavian population is.

I mean you just picked a random ethnicity, and found a name associated with that and *boom* same situation.

 

[Daximus]

Lol. Ok. I obviously can't convince you how important to the cities history and culture the Scandinavian population is.

I mean you just picked a random ethnicity, and found a name associated with that and *boom* same situation.

I can point you to a culture whose history is far more important to Seattle than Scandinavian culture. Not to mention industries like Timber, the Gold Rush. shipbuilding and aircraft.

 

[superdeluxe]

I can point you to a culture whose history is far more important to Seattle than Scandinavian culture.

Well at least we established that the word Kraken is not just some random word connected to a local ethnicity. I'll give you that Scandinavian Culture is more important in Norway than in Seattle.

 

[Daximus]

Well at least we established that the word Kraken is not just some random word connected to a local ethnicity. I'll give you that Scandinavian Culture is more important in Norway than in Seattle.

Well it is because there is absolutely no history related to the Kraken anywhere in the Pacfic Ocean let alone Seattle. Literally the only link to it is in a few Norwegians who live in the Seattle area, according to google most of which didn't arrive until after the 19th century. Loooong long after the established myth of the Kraken. Keep trying though.

There's a big Norwegian population in British Columbia as well. Should the Canucks have been called the Vancouver Kraken?

 

[FerrisRox]

Seattle Kraken – I like it. It’s menancing, strong and powerful. It has strong connection to our region’s maritime and shipping history. Plus the jersey/merchandise/theme concepts has sold me on it.

It has zero connection to your regions maritime and shipping history.

The Kraken is a fictional sea monster from Norway.

 

[BattleBorn]

It has zero connection to your regions maritime and shipping history.

The Kraken is a fictional sea monster from Norway.

And there's an entire former city, and now part of Seattle (Ballard,) that was dominated by Norwegian fisherman, and that still remains a part of the history of Seattle.

If you don't like the name, just don't like it. I agree with that opinion. There's definitely enough of a reason to connect it to Seattle if they want to, though.

 

[FerrisRox]

And there's an entire former city, and now part of Seattle (Ballard,) that was dominated by Norwegian fisherman, and that still remains a part of the history of Seattle.

If you don't like the name, just don't like it. I agree with that opinion. There's definitely enough of a reason to connect it to Seattle if they want to, though.

Having Norwegian fisherman is irrelevant. The name Kraken isn't about Norwegian fisherman, it's about a fictional sea monster that was found in the waters near Norway. Now if there was a former city dominated by Kraken's then you might have a reason to connect them to Seattle, but the reality is, there's no link whatsoever. It's just a silly, gimmicky name like the Toronto Raptors.

 

[jbron]

Since when is it law in the NHL that team nicknames must follow a specific regions authentic history?

A. Can you explain what actually is a Flyer? Ed Snider decided on the name and was more concerned with
using orange and black colors for the uniform.
B. Check out the Boston Bruins they were named after Adams and Ross looked in Brown Bears of Dutch folk
tales.
C. New York Rangers were named after owner George Lewis (TEX) Richard and first were named Tex's
Ranger's .
D. Jack Kent Cooke selected the Kings name for LA as he wanted something Royal sounding.

So we have Texas Rangers in New York, Royalty in LA, Dutch Folk Tale Bruins in Boston, and something called a Flyer in Philadelphia yet Kraken isn't good enough for Seattle.

 

[FerrisRox]

If you want to argue that it sounds like a minor league name, I mean many NHL teams sound like minor league names. The Kraken does reflect our culture and history.

Seattle is on the pacific ocean and you're suggesting that naming the team after a fictional sea monster from the North Atlantic reflects your culture?

What are you talking about?

There are plenty of Chinese people in Vancouver, do you think the Canucks being called the Dragons would reflect the "culture and history" of Vancouver? You are suggest appropriating the folklore and legends of an entirely different culture that have relocated into your city and then pretending that it is your culture and history. That's ridiculous.

 

[Daximus]

Since when is it law in the NHL that team nicknames must follow a specific regions authentic history?

A. Can you explain what actually is a Flyer? Ed Snider decided on the name and was more concerned with
using orange and black colors for the uniform.
B. Check out the Boston Bruins they were named after Adams and Ross looked in Brown Bears of Dutch folk
tales.
C. New York Rangers were named after owner George Lewis (TEX) Richard and first were named Tex's
Ranger's .
D. Jack Kent Cooke selected the Kings name for LA as he wanted something Royal sounding.

So we have Texas Rangers in New York, Royalty in LA, Dutch Folk Tale Bruins in Boston, and something called a Flyer in Philadelphia yet Kraken isn't good enough for Seattle.

Yeah those names are pretty unoriginal too. It doesn't have to be that way I just think paying homage to local culture and history is a nice way to name a team. It might be irrelevant to some I'm just making my point that I disagree with it.

 

[MNNumbers]

Seattle is on the pacific ocean and you're suggesting that naming the team after a fictional sea monster from the North Atlantic reflects your culture?

What are you talking about?

There are plenty of Chinese people in Vancouver, do you think the Canucks being called the Dragons would reflect the "culture and history" of Vancouver? You are suggest appropriating the folklore and legends of an entirely different culture that have relocated into your city and then pretending that it is your culture and history. That's ridiculous.

Not really my fight.....But, does this differ in any way other than "Level of connection" with the Minnesota football team being called "Vikings?" The reasons for that choice are obvious, too, and perhaps similar:

State has Norwegian heritage
Vikings are the ferocious people of Norway, in times long ago.
There is no reliable record of Vikings actually being in Minnesota (Alexandria's Runestone is de-bunked by the best science).

Difference between that and Seattle Kraken is.........?

 

[tarheelhockey]

And there's an entire former city, and now part of Seattle (Ballard,) that was dominated by Norwegian fisherman, and that still remains a part of the history of Seattle.

If you don't like the name, just don't like it. I agree with that opinion. There's definitely enough of a reason to connect it to Seattle if they want to, though.

I think the issue people are having is that Seattle isn't perceived as a "Scandinavian city" in the same way that Boston is regarded as an Irish city, Chicago as Italian, Miami as Latin American, etc.

Personally I didn't see one single Scandinavian reference when I spent a week in Seattle last summer, and I actively look for that sort of thing when I bop around an unfamiliar city. This thread taught me a lot about it, so I'm not saying it doesn't exist or "count", but it's kind of a stretch to see it as a special connection.

It would be like if someone proposed a Chicago team be named the Chicago Tigers because the city has a special connection to Korean culture. Like, it's not that it isn't true, but if someone has to explain it to you then the reference probably isn't that effective.

 

[BattleBorn]

I think the issue people are having is that Seattle isn't perceived as a "Scandinavian city" in the same way that Boston is regarded as an Irish city, Chicago as Italian, Miami as Latin American, etc.

Personally I didn't see one single Scandinavian reference when I spent a week in Seattle last summer, and I actively look for that sort of thing when I bop around an unfamiliar city. This thread taught me a lot about it, so I'm not saying it doesn't exist or "count", but it's kind of a stretch to see it as a special connection.

It would be like if someone proposed a Chicago team be named the Chicago Tigers because the city has a special connection to Korean culture. Like, it's not that it isn't true, but if someone has to explain it to you then the reference probably isn't that effective.

I think a lot of it gets lost in the overall mariner-type culture of Seattle. A lot of your fisherman and general mariners are going to be Scandinavian, but I think the individual heritages of the people got caught up in the overall city. It's not a Scandinavian city from what I've seen in all my visits, but the Scandinavian parts are definitely part of the whole.

I'd say it's more like calling a Chicago team the Chicago White Eagles because there's a decent amount of Polish people there. Chicago is more Polish than most cities, but you don't think of Polish people when you think of Chicago, at least not in the way you think of Scandinavians when you think of Minneapolis.

 

[jbron]

When you look at Seattle, you really don't have to go far to find Scandinavian heritage in Nordstrom Department Stores based in Seattle and Swedish Medical Centers.

 

[PCSPounder]

Is it trolling to point out that, maybe, possibly, despite what the name connotes now in Los Angeles, that the basketball team perhaps had a moral obligation to leave "Lakers" behind when they originally left Minneapolis? Or do you think Big Bear and Arrowhead are just so cool?

I mean, hey, it probably should be addressed by better trolls than I.

Meanwhile, the people who deserve to be trolled are the people from outside Puget Sound here. Possibly me, too, for being a rival Portlander and a thorn in the side on occasion. I think the overriding message here is that this is their business and maybe not that up to the rest of us, even if that results in Pucky McPuckface. If you want this decision to project the league better, maybe you're trying too hard for an organization that may not deserve the credit.