Sens of Anarchy
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What's the beef with cause of death... just questioning the numbers? Why?Asymptomatic when it comes to COVID-19.
What's the beef with cause of death... just questioning the numbers? Why?Asymptomatic when it comes to COVID-19.
ARDS is a symptom of Covid-19 but that does not mean its caused by it in some cases. Someone could have had it before they got Covid-19.ARDS isn't a COVID-19 symptom? I thought it was. Or maybe more accurately it's a condition that is one of the outcomes of COVID-19. So if you have ARDS symptoms, you have COVID-19 symptoms.
ARDS isn't something you have long term and just carry on with. So its unlikely anyone would have it before contracting COVID19. If sombody tested positive for covid, the likelihood of ARDS being caused by something else is likely extremely low. They might have another issue like chronic bronchitis that puts them at higher risk, but the Covid19 would likely be a contributing factor.ARDS is a symptom of Covid-19 but that does not mean its caused by it in some cases. Someone could have had it before they got Covid-19.
Perhaps my example wasn't clear but if someone had ARDS and dies, the coroner or whomever signs the death certificate see's there were complications due to ARDS, knows its a symptom of Covid-19, puts Covid-19 as the cause of death, it gets tallied as another Covid-19 death. That's misleading
Anyone else think maybe it's time we re-think PPE entirely for highly infectious diseases with no known vaccine or immunity?
It's pretty clear the PPE we have right now is far from perfect if nearly 20% of our cases are medical professionals. Should we not move to a complete body-suit of some kind or have the patient in a body suit and have the patient contained when brought in? Have some decontamination showers set up in the hospital if its the staff who will wear body suits? I understand the difficulty of working in one for hours on end but they have to put on all this stuff anyways... just as individual pieces.
I remember a news piece in the BBC about what it's like in an Italian hospital and it was like they were trying to create a full suit experience but with goggles, a mask, gloves and a body suit with holes for the face, hands and shoes... and it's just so easy to see how they could become infected taking it all off even when taking care. There has to be a better way that provides better security, is more breathable and that lessens chance of infection when removing.
I read that article yesterday and was chatting with a friend about it
We have models and we have data. Models that I've seen have kind of a low medium high to them wrt hospitalization, need for ICUs, infection rate. The "problem" at this point is that the data is running far underneath the best case scenario in the models and the media will get louder about that.
The "problem" is a really good thing.
I am wondering how long this can go with infection rates running below models? We cannot live like this for 18 months as we wait out a vaccine. The financial impacts across society are devastating.
in Hamilton a city of 590K
Have had 9 cases of community transmission the last 10 days
Status of Cases | City of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
In the last 10 days, 7% of confirmed local COVID-19 cases are community acquired
the border was shut down 20 days ago... if there was a spike to see we’d be seeing it now
You will have increased calls for it but you need that sampling data we talked about earlier .
If your new projections are running even better than your previous best case scenario , what inputs changed ?
Can you really attribute it to an unexpected solidarity of social distancing ? Unlikely . You accounted for that in all models , remember ? Do nothing vs strict controls gave you worst and best case scenarios .
So , again , has the lethality rate surprised you as being lower than expected via the data ?
Is it a function of lethality or do you now believe that many more people have had Covid than expected so it drove your denominator exponentially higher and decreased the case fatality rate ?
Would this be only for people who volunteer to get tested? How about people who are at home?I think we're not seeing a spike because of the effectiveness of the social distancing
But the issue is that so long as this thing is out there, if you relax social distancing you run the risk of creating the spike
I think what we need are isolation places...if you test positive you get hauled away into an isolation facility until you are cleared
For anyone that has tested positiveWould this be only for people who volunteer to get tested? How about people who are at home?
Test numbers in Ontario mean nothing. The province is performing the least number of tests in the country. The fact is that social distancing is clearly helping and it would be foolish to suddenly let everyone go back to work just because the number of cases are lowin Hamilton a city of 590K
Have had 9 cases of community transmission the last 10 days
Status of Cases | City of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
In the last 10 days, 7% of confirmed local COVID-19 cases are community acquired
the border was shut down 20 days ago... if there was a spike to see we’d be seeing it now
Test numbers in Ontario mean nothing. The province is performing the least number of tests in the country. The fact is that social distancing is clearly helping and it would be foolish to suddenly let everyone go back to work just because the number of cases are low
ARDS is a symptom of Covid-19 but that does not mean its caused by it in some cases. Someone could have had it before they got Covid-19.
Perhaps my example wasn't clear but if someone had ARDS and dies, the coroner or whomever signs the death certificate see's there were complications due to ARDS, knows its a symptom of Covid-19, tests for it, tests return positive or don't even test for it because that's a valid option and puts Covid-19 as the cause of death, it gets tallied as another Covid-19 death. That's misleading
Why do you think it's unlikely that the lower numbers are attributable to social distancing?
Not gonna happen. I don’t want to be cooped up at home either, but you need to start realizing this is a long term thing here. Backing out now would cripple the nationWait it another 1-2 weeks
Keep travel shutdown
Have isolation centers ready
Open up all business that does not involve travel
let’s go
Wait it another 1-2 weeks
Keep travel shutdown
Have isolation centers ready
Open up all business that does not involve travel
let’s go
Not gonna happen. I don’t want to be cooped up at home either, but you need to start realizing this is a long term thing here. Backing out now would cripple the nation
Again do you realize why these measures are taking place? To reduce the strain in our healthcare system. If you open up all business again, the risk of hospitals being overrun would skyrocket.It’s going to be a hard sell as Covid cases dry up.., another month at this pace and there’s going to be nothing
Again do you realize why these measures are taking place? To reduce the strain in our healthcare system. If you open up all business again, the risk of hospitals being overrun would skyrocket.
we’re almost near summer which is when a ton of people take time off work anyway. I doubt they will lift any restrictions until late summer or fall.