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sergejean
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I'm convinced we can do it in half the time. We would still have good young players (Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lekhonen, Danault, Mete, Juulsen etc.) to which we would inject pure talent.
LaP
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Maybe he wont do stupid trade like Subban for weber though.
Pickles
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He has two capital letters in his last name?
Brisebois or BriseBois
I've never seen that before
Brisebois or BriseBois
I've never seen that before
groovejuice
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It was up in the air about as long as a meteor. But the trail behind it wasn't smoke and fire, it was squishier and smelled funny.
I dare you to watch one of our games.
No, it's a defensible job requirement; the GM is partly a spokesperson. And communications studies tells us that translators have a bad rap compared to genuine language proficiency in certain roles. See: our age old tradition of having a bilingual Prime Minister.
Plus a language is an ability, not something innate. And no ethnicity is being barred from applying, unlike your proposition of only hiring Italians.
You can't become an ethnicity that you're not, but you can learn a language.
Yeah, the ROC does not discriminate on language. Only speaking French (or else, except English) is not generally an impediment in getting a job in Ontario (or else). /s
If all the players don't have to speak French why should the management have to?
I mean what's the real priority here, actually icing a successful team or having someone who can go up to the podium for a few minutes a week and answer questions like "why is the team struggling" in fluent French?
HabsFather
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Its politics bro. Unfortunately when it comes to Montreal they are stuck in the dark ages.
The reporters don't care about hockey. If we were to have a GM or coach who couldnt speak french they would have a field day with that.
I agree with you though, i dont care about sex, race, heritage if you are the best for the job then you should get the job. Its a shame that we are hindered this way. While other teams can do just that hire the best leadership team.
Duke Silver
Truce?
I did, last night. And last Saturday against the Leafs.
This isn’t going to last for a full season.
Price WILL drag you out of a lottery position.
You’ll never do what’s necessary.
sergejean
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I'm sure people would be thrilled to have a Prime Minister who only speaks chinese and get his speechs translated...
I don't really know if BriseBois is the right guy or not, but I do have a criterion that, should any candidate fail it, would exclude them from contention for the GM position in my eyes. That is, if the candidate thinks anything at all is more important than a single minded pursuit of the best talent available, he gets a left swipe from me.
I'm not sure that I've ever heard anyone in our organization mention talent except in passing. For example, every year when Timmins explains our draft philosophy he says ''you need to have a certain amount of talent to play in the NHL.'' He then goes on at length about all the other things he wants in a player. I've never heard him say ''talent, the more the better, talent first, and last, talent 100 times over www.talent.com.'' Bergevin, from the get go, spoke ad nauseam about character. He rarely speaks about talent without saying the word ''but.'' How many times have we been lectured about leadership and hating to lose? Take a look at our roster and tell me - with a straight face if you can manage - that this underlying ''sure, we need talent, but...'' attitude hasn't had its effects.
The little things earn their label. They are small, secondary, and of little consolation or use in the absence of the big things, and easy to come by. Let's get back to the good ol' days when Montreal worried about the big things and took home the big prize on a regular basis.
I'm not sure that I've ever heard anyone in our organization mention talent except in passing. For example, every year when Timmins explains our draft philosophy he says ''you need to have a certain amount of talent to play in the NHL.'' He then goes on at length about all the other things he wants in a player. I've never heard him say ''talent, the more the better, talent first, and last, talent 100 times over www.talent.com.'' Bergevin, from the get go, spoke ad nauseam about character. He rarely speaks about talent without saying the word ''but.'' How many times have we been lectured about leadership and hating to lose? Take a look at our roster and tell me - with a straight face if you can manage - that this underlying ''sure, we need talent, but...'' attitude hasn't had its effects.
The little things earn their label. They are small, secondary, and of little consolation or use in the absence of the big things, and easy to come by. Let's get back to the good ol' days when Montreal worried about the big things and took home the big prize on a regular basis.
Doc McKenna
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Thats the problem, Habs use to be a worldwide brand but people would rather them be a regional team. Very short sighted. "We can only love them as long as they are ours!!" And yet there are MILLIONS of us that are outside of quebec that still love the habs. Its a very good thing soccer fans don't see things the same way.
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No it wasn't, it was played in a local league against the wanderers and maroons. So I guess those team represented the Yukon and PEI?
Doc McKenna
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So you will just ignore junior GMs and all the coaches that are bilingual. Mitchell is from montreal, but I don't hear a peep about him being a home town product.
sergejean
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You can't always remove a team/club from its historical/social context. And as for soccer, coaches in Barcelona have always traditionally been able to speak some Catalan or be willing to learn.
You’ve stated this a few times, pointing out a number of players and I don’t disagree... got a lot of passengers and underperformers here.
However, what are we going to do? You can’t fire a player. MB is on the hook either way. This is his team. The core guys he inherited, well, he chose to resign them or trade them so this team is his vision.
I think MB is safe until end of the season so his options are to get rid of the underperformers or bring in more pieces. Hard? Of course it is since he should have done this right during the off-season.
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Its historical context isn't an inbred development team for friends and family. That is a much more recent development.
OldCraig71
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I agree with you 100%, I just want us to f***ing win and be consistently good again. Look across all of pro sports and examine the winning teams, are they not built by the most talented and respected people in their sport of expertise? Did any team swoop in and grab Michel Therrien? If Brisebois is the most qualified candidate and wants to be here than so be it but if it is some other candidate that only speaks english do we need an asterisk beside his name because he is not bilingual? We cannot win without the best people both on and off the ice, we put ourselves at an extreme disadvantage by doing this .
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