Confirmed with Link: Ned to DET for Bernier’s rights and a 3rd

[GoCanes2015]

And to clarify, the $5mil he was asking for was not a 'starting point in the negotiations. It was his final number, per my source. Makes me believe the other comment about 'he wanted out without saying he wanted out.'

 

[The Stranger]

I mean, it's not THAT much and certainly not trading him for scrap.

And to clarify, the $5mil he was asking for was not a 'starting point in the negotiations. It was his final number, per my source. Makes me believe the other comment about 'he wanted out without saying he wanted out.'

You sure his final offer to the Canes was 5...seems to not add up with other reports of his asking price, reported bid-ask spread, and what he ultimately signed for.

 

[Unsustainable]

It had to be a 1.5m x 1 show me contract offer to see if he could hold down the job in a regular season. 5x5 is ridiculous

 

[HisIceness]

I still hate the trade. I also echo what @Blueline Bomber said about the hardball approach the Borg is taking with our players, it's not a great look but they seem hellbent on being this way.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I still hate the trade. I also echo what @Blueline Bomber said about the hardball approach the Borg is taking with our players, it's not a great look but they seem hellbent on being this way.

So if you were running a team, and you didn’t think Ned was starter material, you’d pay him?

Canes payed Andersen $4.5M so it’s very likely they didn’t like Ned enough to pay him as starter.

again, they may be wrong and regret the move but IMO, this situation is less about playing hardball and more about them not being confident with Ned as a starter.

 

[tarheelhockey]

So if you were running a team, and you didn’t think Ned was starter material, you’d pay him?

Canes payed Andersen $4.5M so it’s very likely they didn’t like Ned enough to pay him as starter.

again, they may be wrong and regret the move but IMO, this situation is less about playing hardball and more about them not being confident with Ned as a starter.

100% agree. With this tight of a cap situation, you cannot go paying a guy starter money unless you’re sure he’s a starter.

 

[Chrispy]

So if you were running a team, and you didn’t think Ned was starter material, you’d pay him?

Canes payed Andersen $4.5M so it’s very likely they didn’t like Ned enough to pay him as starter.

again, they may be wrong and regret the move but IMO, this situation is less about playing hardball and more about them not being confident with Ned as a starter.

Andersen has to go back 3 seasons to find a Sv% over .910.

Andersen has never had a season as good as Ned’s 20-21 and only once had a playoff run as good as Ned’s 20-21 run.

Even if you think Ned will take a step back, he still has space to outperform Andersen. Add in that Mrazek outperformed Andersen the past few years and I’m not asking why Carolina should pay Ned if they don’t value him as a starter.

I’m asking what has Carolina done this offseason to make me trust their evaluation of this position? They brought in a starter who has been inferior to ALL 3 goalies they let leave and been injured the past year, and then backed him up with a notoriously injury prone goalie.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Andersen has to go back 3 seasons to find a Sv% over .910.

Andersen has never had a season as good as Ned’s 20-21 and only once had a playoff run as good as Ned’s 20-21 run.

Even if you think Ned will take a step back, he still has space to outperform Andersen. Add in that Mrazek outperformed Andersen the past few years and I’m not asking why Carolina should pay Ned if they don’t value him as a starter.

I’m asking what has Carolina done this offseason to make me trust their evaluation of this position? They brought in a starter who has been inferior to ALL 3 goalies they let leave and been injured the past year, and then backed him up with a notoriously injury prone goalie.

That's all very valid, but that's not the point I was making.

I already acknowledged that the Canes could be wrong in their assessment of Ned. My point was simply that their assessment (even if it's wrong) was that Ned wasn't the right guy for the job so they weren't willing to pay him as such, vs. just "playing hardball". If you are running a team, you won't pay for a guy you think isn't the right guy. Sometimes you are right, sometimes you are wrong.

So that's what I'm saying. Ned very well may be the. better choice (only time will tell), but it's clear the Canes front office didn't think so, and they may end up being wrong. Your assessment and my assessment of their player evaluations is fine, but it's their assessment that matters (even if it's wrong), when negotiating contracts.

 

[Chrispy]

Even if you don’t think Ned is the starter, the fact he signed for $3M in Detroit says he was attainable at that price.

That means he was available at a platoon price if they didn’t lowball him. And there’s no question he’s proven he can be part of a platoon. And making him pet of a platoon gives you a backup plan if it turns out Ned can’t run with a starter’s load.

Andersen-Ned? Wouldn’t like it, but I’d understand the idea of bringing in Andersen to challenge Ned.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Even if you don’t think Ned is the starter, the fact he signed for $3M in Detroit says he was attainable at that price.

All the deal with Detroit tells us is he was attainable for that price for Detroit, not necessarily for Carolina. He may have gone lower for them since his fiancé is up there in school or for some other reason.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

All the deal with Detroit tells us is he was attainable for that price for Detroit, not necessarily for Carolina. He may have gone lower for them since his fiancé is up there in school or for some other reason.

Considering the rumors and/or confirmed facts about the Borg, I feel pretty safe in assuming that if anyone was being a pill during these negotiations (if there were any at all), it wasn't Ned.

 

[Lempo]

There's 35 minutes between the initial news of a trade breaking out and the Red Wings confirming the contract with a specific salary structure ($2.5M+$3.5M).

Alex Nedeljkovic Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Yeah right took Ned by surprise.

 

[emptyNedder]

There's 35 minutes between the initial news of a trade breaking out and the Red Wings confirming the contract with a specific salary structure ($2.5M+$3.5M).

Alex Nedeljkovic Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Yeah right took Ned by surprise.

More likely Detroit asked Ned's agent, what # will you sign for and then Detroit agreed to it--as opposed to saying we heard Carolina was offering $1.5M so we will be generous and offer 2.25M and the process drags on.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, because Yzerman recognizes that when a Calder nominee falls into your lap and isn't asking for the moon, you get a deal done ASAP.

Also, the fact that a deal was reached so quickly really makes me doubt the 5x5 claim.

 

[MinJaBen]

There's 35 minutes between the initial news of a trade breaking out and the Red Wings confirming the contract with a specific salary structure ($2.5M+$3.5M).

Alex Nedeljkovic Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Yeah right took Ned by surprise.

It is certainly possible that the trade did take Ned and his agent by surprise and they changed their strategy about getting a longer term, high dollar contract with a contender, to a “let’s get out of this rebuilding dump as soon as possible because my numbers won’t look so good here” strategy.

 

[Lempo]

More likely Detroit asked Ned's agent, what # will you sign for and then Detroit agreed to it--as opposed to saying we heard Carolina was offering $1.5M so we will be generous and offer 2.25M and the process drags on.

I don't think Detroit is allowed to ask such a question from a pending RFA (or his agent) six days prior to Free Agency.

That's textbook tampering.

(Unless Canes have okayed it.)

 

[Lempo]

Well, apparently at least he didn't hear of the trade afterwards. July 22 was Thursday,
was it 2 p.m. local time when Detroit confirmed it on twitter? (my twitter shows Finnish time)

Hasty business anyway. Maybe Detroit wanted confirmation what Ned will sign with them before the trade.

Nedeljkovic was golfing Thursday afternoon when his agent called with the news.
“The trade itself was really kind of like, out of nowhere,” Nedeljkovic said. “But when we heard Detroit was interested and wanted to make a trade, we were very excited and happy that things worked out. It’s an opportunity to — not kickstart my career, but to really get it going in the right direction and really try to cement that I can play in this league and I can be an NHL goalie.

Detroit Red Wings' trade for Alex Nedeljkovic a win for everyone

 

[LakeLivin]

Ned: “I couldn’t have been more excited to get back here and to be able to call it home all year around.”

With a newlywed wife going to school at MSU and Ned signing so quickly with Detroit, it really does cloud the picture. Another one of those things where we'll probably never really know what actually happened.

 

[HisIceness]

I guess my frustration is that we've never really had a "homegrown" goaltender sans for Cam Ward. We've had a goaltender ferris wheel for years, even going back to finding Cam a reliable back-up which was never really achieved, and we're getting that again with Raanta/Andersen. Ned won a playoff series for this team and performed admirably throughout the season. With where this team is now, I felt like it was a no-brainer to commit to Ned for 2-3 years and if it didn't work out it didn't work out, but I feel like we're going backwards with this new tandem that isn't terrible but their health is a major concern for me. I'd feel more confident with Ned and whoever else than this Raanta/Andersen combo

I'm hoping one of these netminders we have in the system, Lafontaine/Kocherkov/ etc. will end up being our guy when their time comes. Continuing spinning the wheel with older vets isn't a recipe for long-term success.

 

[emptyNedder]

I don't think Detroit is allowed to ask such a question from a pending RFA (or his agent) six days prior to Free Agency.

That's textbook tampering.

(Unless Canes have okayed it.)

I was referring to once the trade was confirmed--likely before it was announced, but not tampering nor Ned orchestrating a trade to the one team closest to his fiancé.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Assuming those numbers are accurate that tells me Ned wanted out without saying he wanted out. As those asks are insane for his track record.

this.....the agent is used as the agitator.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Andersen has never had a season as good as Ned’s 20-21 and only once had a playoff run as good as Ned’s 20-21 run.

66 starts with a .918 is a better season than 23 starts with a .932.

 

[GoCanes2015]

You sure his final offer to the Canes was 5...seems to not add up with other reports of his asking price, reported bid-ask spread, and what he ultimately signed for.

My source is as close to the discussion as one can get.

 

[The Stranger]

My source is as close to the discussion as one can get.

Fair enough. It's clear that reported numbers in the press can be erroneous (as evidence by the scatter of reported Hamilton numbers).

If he truly was holding firm at 5 for the Canes and immediately signed for 3 at DET, that's a head-scratcher.

 

[emptyNedder]

If he truly was holding firm at 5 for the Canes and immediately signed for 3 at DET, that's a head-scratcher.

Agreed. Any story that Ned wanted out makes some sense, but thinking that Detroit was the likely destination is illogical. There were any number of teams looking for a goalie in that 3M range. Ned could have ended up in any of 10 cities, some farther from his fiancé. Ned's agent also had to know that a 5M ask wouldn't help in arbitration--as much as I think Ned is the real deal, even I don't think he deserves the same salary as Lehner signed for less than a year ago.

It would be interesting to know what GC2015's source states as being the Canes final offer.