Confirmed with Link: Ned to DET for Bernier’s rights and a 3rd

[Lempo]

Lempo--you said earlier in this (or possibly another thread) that Detroit negotiating with Ned's agent prior to any trade would be tampering. If that is the case, you and NO are arguing that Carolina's front office went out of its way to ask Detroit if they would meet Ned's $3M demand because the Canes front office, while not valuing Ned in Raleigh, wanted him to be in his preferred location in the NHL. Sorry, I just don't buy that.

Yes, and in other other thread I posted the article about how creatively tampering happens. (At least some) agents feel their job is to know the potential markets for their imdividual player much better than the NHL bylaws technically would allow them to do. This is also a matter that hugely impacts on how big a tithe the agent himself will get.

What I'm told is, by the news article Ned was golfing in the afternoon of Thursday 22nd, when he heard of the trade.

What I know for sure is, at 2 p.m. on that same day Detroit announced they have agreed to terms. So it happened snappy.

What I'm pretty certain of, Canes didn't negotiate Ned's new contract with DRW, but Ned's agent did.

What I understand from specifically the Trouba trade is, whether a trade of a pending RFA happens and what terms it happens on, is hugely dependent on if the acquiring team feel or know whether they can get the RFA signed onto a certain kind of SPC.

What I know for certain is, nowadays #65 in the MOU to extend the CBA forbids attaching to the trade a condition of compensation that dependent on if the aqcuiring team can get the traded pending free agent re-signed ("The restriction -- shall only be applicable when the Traded Player has a current or future NHL SPC at the time of the Trade").

What I can logically deduct is, because of #65 teams and agents will have to come up with new ways to facilitate a trade of a player in cases where the value of the traded pending free agent is hugely dependent on whether and on what kind of contract said pending free agent will re-sign.

What I also can logically deduct is, when you realize that you can't get your pending free agent signed on the terms agreeable to you (and are in risk to have him forcibly signed on unacceptable terms imposed on you by the Arbitrator), economically thinking all you have left is to try recover as much assets and goodwill as you can.

The logical thing to do is to try find a place where the pending RFA might want to go and where he might sign a more team-friendly contract than elsewhere, so the compensation coming back to you would be as good as possible. Such accommodation also has the positive that maybe some goodwill is created among the potentially signable/tradeable players around the league when they see that you try to trade your pending free agents in a player-friendly manner.

 

[The Stranger]

Maybe. The other part of it is he could lose money if he goes to arbitration. $3M is more than fair for a guy with 29 games to his name. He’d have been a fool not to take it.

Notable 2014 drafted goalies, their NHL experience/stats, and their contracts:

Thatcher Demko (pick 36) - 72gp, 2.94 gaa, .911 sv% - $5mx5 (2021 - 59 starts at time of signing)
Alex Nedeljkovic (pick 37) - 38gp, 2.06 gaa, .926 sv% - $3mx2 (2021 off-season)
Elvis Merzlikins (pick 76) - 33gp, 2.35 gaa, .923 sv% - $4mx2 (signed in 2020 - games and stats reflect his resume at signing)
Ilya Sorokin (pick 78) - 29gp, 2.31 gaa, .919 sv% - unsigned RFA
Igor Shesterkin (pick 118) - 47gp, 2.59 gaa, .921 sv% - $5.7mx4 (2021 off-season)

I think if he goes to arbitration, he easily gets $3m.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Notable 2014 drafted goalies, their NHL experience/stats, and their contracts:

Thatcher Demko (pick 36) - 72gp, 2.94 gaa, .911 sv% - $5mx5 (2021 - 59 starts at time of signing)
Alex Nedeljkovic (pick 37) - 38gp, 2.06 gaa, .926 sv% - $3mx2 (2021 off-season)
Elvis Merzlikins (pick 76) - 33gp, 2.35 gaa, .923 sv% - $4mx2 (signed in 2020 - games and stats reflect his resume at signing)
Ilya Sorokin (pick 78) - 29gp, 2.31 gaa, .919 sv% - unsigned RFA
Igor Shesterkin (pick 118) - 47gp, 2.59 gaa, .921 sv% - $5.7mx4 (2021 off-season)

I think if he goes to arbitration, he easily gets $3m.

Quite possibly, but it's not guaranteed. Some guys go to arbitration and simply lose. Last time a goalie actually went through the arbitration process, it was Anton Forsberg at 45 career starts. He got $775K.

Ned was likely to get around $3M regardless. Detroit put the money on the table, guaranteed. He was smart to take it.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Not sure if anybody saw it in Civian's most recent Bag of Jerks feature, but someone asked if Ned was shopped around to anybody other than Detroit and her answer was that he was shopped and that the Detroit deal was the best offer on the table and the view was there wasn't much leverage with a yet-to-be-signed RFA who either might actually be good or just have been on a hot streak.

 

[Lempo]

Not sure if anybody saw it in Civian's most recent Bag of Jerks feature, but someone asked if Ned was shopped around to anybody other than Detroit and her answer was that he was shopped and that the Detroit deal was the best offer on the table and the view was there wasn't much leverage with a yet-to-be-signed RFA who either might actually be good or just have been on a hot streak.

That has the makings of an ugly view if he just happened to know that DET would give him 2x3M and would trade for him, and he held a 5M price tag towards the Canes.

 

[The Stranger]

That has the makings of an ugly view if he just happened to know that DET would give him 2x3M and would trade for him, and he held a 5M price tag towards the Canes.

Yep, if the Canes were offering $2.5m and Ned was holding firm at $5m...and then was traded to the Wings...and in his haste to sign a $3x2 contract, knocked over a toddler and old lady...something would be smelling rotten in the state of Denmark.

However, if the Canes were offering $1.5m and he was asking $3.5m...and then was traded and offered $3.0...it would not be surprising for him to happily accept (what with it being double his last offer and fairly close to his asking price).

 

[The Stranger]

Notable 2014 drafted goalies, their NHL experience/stats, and their contracts:

Thatcher Demko (pick 36) - 72gp, 2.94 gaa, .911 sv% - $5mx5 (2021 - 59 starts at time of signing)
Alex Nedeljkovic (pick 37) - 38gp, 2.06 gaa, .926 sv% - $3mx2 (2021 off-season)
Elvis Merzlikins (pick 76) - 33gp, 2.35 gaa, .923 sv% - $4mx2 (signed in 2020 - games and stats reflect his resume at signing)
Ilya Sorokin (pick 78) - 29gp, 2.31 gaa, .919 sv% - $4mX3 (2021 off-season)
Igor Shesterkin (pick 118) - 47gp, 2.59 gaa, .921 sv% - $5.7mx4 (2021 off-season)

I think if he goes to arbitration, he easily gets $3m.

I see the Ned trade/contract discussion was raised in another thread...Sorokin has now signed (update above).

Interesting that Ned has the best gaa and sv% of his cohort and the worst contract.

 

[MinJaBen]

I see the Ned trade/contract discussion was raised in another thread...Sorokin has now signed (update above).

Interesting that Ned has the best gaa and sv% of his cohort and the worst contract.

Thatcher Demko (pick 36) 6'4"- 72gp, 2.94 gaa, .911 sv% - $5mx5 (2021 - 59 starts at time of signing)
Alex Nedeljkovic (pick 37) 6'0"- 38gp, 2.06 gaa, .926 sv% - $3mx2 (2021 off-season)
Elvis Merzlikins (pick 76) 6'3"- 33gp, 2.35 gaa, .923 sv% - $4mx2 (signed in 2020 - games and stats reflect his resume at signing)
Ilya Sorokin (pick 78) 6'2"- 29gp, 2.31 gaa, .919 sv% - $4mX3 (2021 off-season)
Igor Shesterkin (pick 118) 6'1"- 47gp, 2.59 gaa, .921 sv% - $5.7mx4 (2021 off-season)

He has the smallest contract signed for the shortest period of time.

 

[htdoc]

I still can't believe he is 6 feet... I always thought he was shorter... imo, he always seemed to play shorter and have to work to cover more of the net...