Value of: Nazem Kadri

[BrannigansLaw]

fixed... Maybe a 3 more likely a legit 4

And who exactly would you classify as a legit #4?

I'm not sure what the Caps needs are but I would be willing to do a trade around Carlson and Kadri+2017 1st as a framework.

 

[Jani8]

Not that he'd be available at all, but I'd be looking for a Roman Josi type return for Nazem.

Nashville won't do it though.

Doesn't that tell you that you're overvaluing Kadri? It should.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

And who exactly would you classify as a legit #4?

Dan Hamhuis, Micheal Stone, Jack Johnson, Tyler Myers something like that

 

[Hunter368]

Well this thread went to crap real fast.

Kadri would return a great piece. Think like a #1/Elite #2 defenseman.
He's a borderline #1c signed to a great contract long term.

That said, I have no desire to see him traded for anything short of an insane overpayment.

We'll solve our defense without trading Nazem.

No chance he gets a 1D or elite #2D with term. Kadri is a #2C who is coming off a good year for him.

I'm really curious if people watched our playoff series. You would see how valuable Kadri is. His one 'knock' is he is not a faceoff specialist, and needs to be to become a Selke level player.

This is what he does for us. He shuts down players, he scores and play on our PP. Then for a 'small' guy he can do this

https://youtu.be/THwDVS3b-z8?t=56s

People only remember questionable hits and don't see 99% of the time this guy is a wrecking ball on the ice against bigger guys.

He is a good player and would get a good return on par with a #2C with term.

 

[Brock Radunske]

No chance he gets a 1D or elite #2D with term. Kadri is a #2C who is coming off a good year for him.



He is a good player and would get a good return on par with a #2C with term.

Agreed. I do think he'd get near the top end of the going rate for 2Cs because of his contract and physical play.

In my opinion, a #1C should return a #1-2 D and a #2C should return a #3-4 D

In kadri's case I would expect an established #3 or a #4 with upside to reach 2 or 3.

 

[wraparound]

What gets him to Anaheim? Obviously Lindholm is off the table..

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Dan Hamhuis, Micheal Stone, Jack Johnson, Tyler Myers something like that

Classic HF

He's worth more than those guys c'mon lol. You do realize Michael Stone was traded for conditional 3rd and 5th round picks right? Now all of a sudden he's worth a 30 goal/60 point center?

The rest of the guys you just mentioned never returned a Kadri level guy even when their values were higher than they are now (maybe Myers but there were many pieces involved in that trade and Kane already had a bad rep).

I realize you don't like the guy but he just had a career year, has a great contract, and plays solid defense.....if those are the "legit" d-men we have to choose from this summer, I'd rather just call up a Marlie and keep Kadri.

 

[Hunter368]

Agreed. I do think he'd get near the top end of the going rate for 2Cs because of his contract and physical play.

In my opinion, a #1C should return a #1-2 D and a #2C should return a #3-4 D

In kadri's case I would expect an established #3 or a #4 with upside to reach 2 or 3.

No disagreement from me.

 

[Advanced stats]

No chance he gets a 1D or elite #2D with term. Kadri is a #2C who is coming off a good year for him.

We'll keep him than.

Ovbiously not worth Josi,

Just as ovbiously not worth a #4.

 

[firstemperor]

I'm not sure what the Caps needs are but I would be willing to do a trade around Carlson and Kadri+2017 1st as a framework.

Carlson is a UFA in a year and Kadri is signed on an amazing long-term deal. I would be fine with that deal in principle but once you factor in contracts, there's a big value difference. Not to mention, once you remove Kadri, our organizational C depth disappears.

 

[Hunter368]

Dan Hamhuis, Micheal Stone, Jack Johnson, Tyler Myers something like that

Can't even evaluate Myers value until he proves he can stay healthy.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Carlson is a UFA in a year and Kadri is signed on an amazing long-term deal. I would be fine with that deal in principle but once you factor in contracts, there's a big value difference. Not to mention, once you remove Kadri, our organizational C depth disappears.

I should've stated it, but assume that we already know he will sign with us.

You're right though, but it's one of our areas of strength atm and Carlson is a certain top pair guy that would help us immensely.

 

[Seph]

The Leafs were a top 10 PK. They don't need Kadri there. 5on5 he's excellent at shutting down other teams' top lines.

Is he actually excellent at 5 on 5 defense, though? At 5on5, of the Leafs 12 forwards to play at least 500 minutes this season, Kadri was 11th in GA/60 and 12th in GF%. His PDO was pretty close to average at 99.7, so that's unlikely to be a factor. I get that he played hard minutes, but even so, you'd think if he were truly excellent at shutdown work, he'd at the very least be middle of the pack in one of GA/60 or GF%, rather than in the bottom two for both.

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a good player coming off a great season. I just think he needs to show more before I'd call him an excellent shutdown forward.

 

[firstemperor]

No chance he gets a 1D or elite #2D with term. Kadri is a #2C who is coming off a good year for him.

If Kadri is a #2C, then your personal expectations for a #1C would have to be very high (which I don't disagree with). My opinion is he is a high-end #2C, given his QoC and productivity. This literally means that ~half the teams in the league don't have #1C's (which I agree with).

I will disagree that he can't get a #2D with term though. Kadri's contract alone, already shoots up his value even more than his actual worth as a player. He has more value than a #3/#4. A #3/#4 would be someone like Orlov. Kadri has more value to me by a fair amount than Orlov. He certainly has more value than #4's like a Zaistev, Stone, Jack Johnson.

These are hypothetical's of course. We don't have the organizational depth at C to trade Kadri regardless. Trading Kadri for a #2D for the most part, likely doesn't make us a better team given Kadri's usage- as much as we are in desperate need of another top 4 RHD.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Nuge for Kadri, straight up.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Nuge for Kadri, straight up.

No, straight up.

 

[Morgs]

Josi's a top ten probably top 5 DMan in the league. Kadri and Nylander for Josi +

Wouldn't do Nylander straight up, so........


awkward.

 

[Paralyzer]

Can he really be a great shut down centre but doesn't play any PK?

*snicker*

 

[Drew311]

Why do people even start these threads?

The OP wants to talk about how great his player is, and the other team's fans just want to give bad offers. I don't see the point.

 

[Gavy]

Kadri is an elite 2c and a low end 1c. He's also going to get better as he's only 26

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Wouldn't do Nylander straight up, so........


awkward.

I'm sure if an offer centered around Nylander was ever made, Josi would already be a life right now.

What Josi is as a defenseman currently is what we can only hope and pray Nylander becomes as a winger/center.

As much as I love Willy, you take Josi. The guy is only 26 and is a top 5 defenseman in this league. I would be crying tears of joy if Poile was ever stupid/drunk enough to do this deal.

 

[Hunter368]

If Kadri is a #2C, then your personal expectations for a #1C would have to be very high (which I don't disagree with). My opinion is he is a high-end #2C, given his QoC and productivity. This literally means that ~half the teams in the league don't have #1C's (which I agree with).

I will disagree that he can't get a #2D with term though. Kadri's contract alone, already shoots up his value even more than his actual worth as a player. He has more value than a #3/#4. A #3/#4 would be someone like Orlov. Kadri has more value to me by a fair amount than Orlov. He certainly has more value than #4's like a Zaistev, Stone, Jack Johnson.

These are hypothetical's of course. We don't have the organizational depth at C to trade Kadri regardless. Trading Kadri for a #2D for the most part, likely doesn't make us a better team given Kadri's usage- as much as we are in desperate need of another top 4 RHD.

I agree talking hypotheticals is tough, without using real names as return. Your also likely evaluating Kadri value more so on this years production and projecting it forward. I'm looking at this year more as an exception to the norm, at least until he can prove he can consistently do it year after year. For now I see him as a 45-50 point 2C pest with term.

 

[LivingRentFree]

fixed... Maybe a 3 more likely a legit 4

Show me a time a 26yo 30 goal scorer who is on pace to be a legit shutdown guy with an amazing contract that was traded for a #4 dman

 

[firstemperor]

I'm looking at this year more as an exception to the norm, at least until he can prove he can consistently do it year after year. For now I see him as a 45-50 point 2C pest with term.

I'd disagree but it's a fair opinion. Bozak would be a 45-55 point player as he's shown that type of consistency long-term. And I wouldn't call him even a #2C, he's a low-end #2C at best but really, more of a middle 6C, perhaps even a high-end #3 scoring C on a contender. My opinion is that he's a high-end #3C on a contender. These two play on the same team and I can assure you that Kadri is definitively, a superior player to Bozak.

Kadri as a 45-50 point guy is undershooting his worth given context. He was a young player with a lot of upside who began tapping it once Babcock came in. It was clear he wasn't being utilized properly in past situations, perhaps his growth was even stunted, and he was definitely not placed in a position to succeed. I think it's very clear he is trending way up and I'd argue vehemently that this is not a optimistic viewpoint as much as it's a realistic one. In fact, I'd even argue 55 points is a very low-end expectation for him now moving forward. If you were a odds-maker, would you really put his line for production, over a 82 game year, as 45-50 points next year? This to me, is a very extreme and pessimistic viewpoint on Kadri.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Kadri is an elite 2c and a low end 1c. He's also going to get better as he's only 26

Dont you know that players suck once they reach 27 yrs old?

Honest question/s to the leafs faithful, does kadri score 30 without mathews and co on the roster? Would he even reach 20 in LA?