bobilly45
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you guys are really overvaluing a 34 year old kovalchuk lol.
we will prob get a 2nd round pick
You're devaluing him greatly lol
you guys are really overvaluing a 34 year old kovalchuk lol.
we will prob get a 2nd round pick
If there's 'significant interest' around the league as has been reported, his trade value is going to be higher than the pessimists think. The Devils have the most leverage here. If they don't like the return, they can tell the other team to kick rocks and let Kovy play in Russia next year, potentially diminishing his NHL earning potential by aging another year in his mid-30s as well as risk injury. The Devils lose nothing by walking away.
If there's 'significant interest' around the league as has been reported, his trade value is going to be higher than the pessimists think. The Devils have the most leverage here. If they don't like the return, they can tell the other team to kick rocks and let Kovy play in Russia next year, potentially diminishing his NHL earning potential by aging another year in his mid-30s as well as risk injury. The Devils lose nothing by walking away.
That's the thing. He's not going to go to a contender and play for peanuts. How many contenders can fit him in at whatever his asking price is?
They also gain nothing. I'd rather get a free 2nd round pick and send him out west than "take a stand" and get nothing.
Significant interest can be a fairly loose term, and that's if you believe Brooks and his sources on this one. Significant interest can mean yeah we want him as long as the cost isn't that high.
They also gain nothing. I'd rather get a free 2nd round pick and send him out west than "take a stand" and get nothing.
You're devaluing him greatly lol
"Significant interest" and "as long as the cost isn't that high" do not go together. If there is significant interest, it is assumed the cost will be pretty high. Thats how prices/value of players raise, there are multiples teams coveting that player. Just like anything else in life.
Someone proposed retaining 50% on a Kovy sign and trade, though huge value, would be cap circumventing.
Thoughts?
Or teams are assuming Shero's not going to ask for some of the over the top proposals that have been made here for a guy he doesn't want and who doesn't want to be here, it's not mutually exclusive. A lot of teams have significant interest in the big-time college UFA's in part cause they don't cost a lot, a lot of teams have interest in players they assume whose value is depreciated for one reason or another.
.... and Kovalchuk is not a college UFA.... what does that have to do with anything. College UFAs are simply signed to entry level deals that are set at a max price. the value can't be driven up due to competition. Kovalchuk has to be traded which drives price up. and he can only sign with the Devils which drives his contract value down
Or teams are assuming Shero's not going to ask for some of the over the top proposals that have been made here for a guy who's a question mark he doesn't want and who doesn't want to be here, it's not mutually exclusive. A lot of teams have significant interest in the big-time college UFA's in part cause they don't cost a lot, just like a lot of teams have interest in players they assume whose value is depreciated for one reason or another.
So, I'm the GM of a contender and I only want a potential 60-point player (on a contract favorable to me because I negotiated it) if I can get him for garbage? I'm sure they'll offer as little as possible but that doesn't mean that's the price. It doesn't matter that Kovy doesn't want to play for the Devils the same way it would for another player refusing to sign or demanding a trade - we don't have to get rid of him. He's not on the roster and he's basically falling (back) into our laps.
The only way that this impacts his value is if there's only one team he's willing to play for and in that case forget it. No reason for the Devils to allow him to dictate anything. We can work with him but we don't have to let him call all the shots.
So, I'm the GM of a contender and I only want a potential 60-point player (on a contract favorable to me because I negotiated it) if I can get him for garbage? I'm sure they'll offer as little as possible but that doesn't mean that's the price. It doesn't matter that Kovy doesn't want to play for the Devils the same way it would for another player refusing to sign or demanding a trade - we don't have to get rid of him. He's not on the roster and he's basically falling (back) into our laps.
The only way that this impacts his value is if there's only one team he's willing to play for and in that case forget it. No reason for the Devils to allow him to dictate anything. We can work with him but we don't have to let him call all the shots.
I was giving an example of how significant interest could be tied in part to not costing a lot in terms of assets and/or money.
If you guys want to think this player's still going to bring a return as if he was still the 40-50 goal scorer in his prime when he's likely on a short-term big money deal, when there's only so many teams you can trade him to, and he has major question marks with age/injury be my guest, and it only does take one nut GM to overpay. I just don't think if you ask for a first round pick or a major prospect you're getting it, let alone both. Maybe a 1 if it's lottery protected from a contender, maybe. Probably more likely the offers will be a 2/3 package which would be just fine by me but I think some of you are setting yourselves up for dissapointment.
Can someone explain this. I would imagine, like most players in the NHL, there value is assessed based off their contract. A good player with a bad contract may have negative value where the opposite would have positive value.
Considering if Kovy does not want to be a Devil, how would his contract be negotiated and in turn how would that affect the return the Devils would receive? Can Kovy's agent talk to only the Devils or is he allowed to gauge the asking price from other teams?
A 38 year old Martin St. Louis was traded for a 1, 2 and Callahan. There were some conditions in place there, but I think getting a 1st rounder or 2 + good prospect is realistic
A 38 year old Martin St. Louis was traded for a 1, 2 and Callahan. There were some conditions in place there, but I think getting a 1st rounder or 2 + good prospect is realistic
Regarding value - remember when vern fiddler netted us a 4th?
I think the trade deadline idea is a good one. See if we can convince kovy to see where our team is with him on it, and if it's no good trade him to a competitor. He could merc and let his fam stay in nj or Florida for a small part of a season.
I mean, his fam is a factor, but winning a cup is def one factor of his as well.
at the deadline.
trade value at the deadline is completely different than it is in the summer.
Hanzal got a 1st and a 2nd as a rental. Kovalchuk will get us something pretty good back
Regarding value - remember when vern fiddler netted us a 4th?
I think the trade deadline idea is a good one. See if we can convince kovy to see where our team is with him on it, and if it's no good trade him to a competitor. He could merc and let his fam stay in nj or Florida for a small part of a season.
I mean, his fam is a factor, but winning a cup is def one factor of his as well.