I apologise.
Sure. But some posters mix up or do not know the basic hockey, yet they insist to discuss.
An example in this thread was where a poster claimed GAA was the goalie’s individual stats.
When it come to the stats we have
Players:
Goals
Assists
+/- (*). This one is tricky
Goalies
SV%
GAA
Winning % (*) this one is also tricky
When it come to Mrazek and the wings, I will refer to Osgood. We went with Hasek in ‘02 and won the cup (arguably top 3 goalie in the league). Then in ‘08 with Osgood. And Osgood was one of a very few who fell short one game of winning it back to back. Do we have any goalie in the last 20 years actually doing it?
What I see now that the game has changed. Do we have any candidates for HOF among the top 10 goalies in the league? How many goalies have managed to keep their over 10+ years?
Yeah, this just turned into a crapfest and I definitely threw a stick of dynamite on the fire.
For goalies, the best stats that we have for comparison are sv% and GAA because both of these are, ostensibly, things within the goalies control. Obviously there are saves that have nothing to do with the goalie messing up, but in terms of a large sample size (a season, a career) these tend to balance out with saves he made that were complete luck.
And if you are a good goaltender, you will have a consistently higher sv% and a consistently lower GAA. A guy like Osgood shows the weakness of those stats, as his GAAs were actually close or superior to what Jimmy Howard's have been, but Jimmy's sv% is a good deal higher. The Wings in the late 90s gave up a ridiculously low number of shots, so a guy's sv% will be lower because he's not getting to pad that stat with unscreened point shots that realistically stand no chance of going in, but his GAA will stay low because they're also not giving up that many goals.
And on the any HOF candidates?
I think you could make some kind of argument for the following. They may not get there, but their names will definitely be mentioned.
Guys without a Cup who would probably lock up HoF spot with one.
Carey Price - among best goalies in league year in, year out. Needs team success.
Henrik Lundqvist - among best goalies in league year in, year out. Needs team success.
Sergei Bobrovsky actually has a shot. He's won two Vezinas. He'll need some team trophies to get real consideration, but he's been a top of the heap goalie.
Marc-Andre Fleury - Won 09 Cup, big part of Pitts success since drafted. If Vegas wins this year, he's a HoFer, full stop.
Guy with Cup/(s) who need more regular season numbers
Matt Murray has a shot if he continues to be an elite goalie for a decade. Has two Cups already.
Jonathan Quick - Won two cups with ludicrous playoff runs. Needs more regular season success.
Guys who have very good stats and look like they could trend to a Cup if their team gets better
Cory Schneider - If the Devils rip off a sustained string of success in the coming years with guys like Hischier and Hall leading the way.
Braden Holtby - Caps have a crazy amount of regular season success and Holtby has glittering stats in that. If they can break through and win a Cup, his candidacy gains a lot of legitimacy.
Basically, there are a bunch of really good goalies who need one thing on their resume to have a very strong HoF candidacy.
And to end, winning % for a goalie is a worthless stat. It relies on way too many variables that the goalie has absolutely no control over and the results of the stat can reliably over a large sample size be borne out by the peripherals. It is exactly the same as wins in baseball. Good underlying numbers will tend to lead to good win/loss results, but due to variability in external factors sometimes do not.