More Points over next 8 years: Huberdeau or Gaudreau

[SensontheRush]

I was initially going to come in here and "meh" over the perceived discrepancy between the two, but it's possible that Gaudreau's smaller body will assist him in aging gracefully.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Huby can keep the puck away from people. He learned a lot from Jagr, how to not need speed, but rather, booty power. And that booty ain’t going away as he ages and slows down a bit.

 

[DJJones]

Are people really going with Bennett is an upgrade on what Monahan was now?

Hard no from me

 

[AvroArrow]

Gaudreau. Laine will probably hit 50+ goals if they play on a line together.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Are people really going with Bennett is an upgrade on what Monahan was now?

Hard no from me

Bennett is absolutely an upgrade on Monahan.

 

[DJJones]

Bennett is absolutely an upgrade on Monahan.

Well now of course.

When healthy no. I could see that 2nd line struggling to produce

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Well now of course.

When healthy no. I could see that 2nd line struggling to produce

He was always an upgrade on Monahan. Monahan was healthy at the start of the year, skating better than he had in years. But without Gaudreau he was exposed. It's been that way his entire career - he never produced above a 3rd line level without Gaudreau on his line.

 

[DJJones]

He was always an upgrade on Monahan. Monahan was healthy at the start of the year, skating better than he had in years. But without Gaudreau he was exposed. It's been that way his entire career - he never produced above a 3rd line level without Gaudreau on his line.

Monahan wasn't even close to healthy. He couldn't skate or shoot. Three years ago be would have had twenty goals on the third line.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Monahan wasn't even close to healthy. He couldn't skate or shoot. Three years ago be would have had twenty goals on the third line.

His skating was better than it had been in years.

The numbers don't lie - Monahan has never produced better than a bottom 6 player without Gaudreau while being very poor all over the ice.

Bennett was better in the OHL, was better as a rookie, and has been a better when used as a top 6 center. He's got 34g 64p in 81gp with the Panthers, despite playing 2nd unit PP time for most of his time there (and a good amount without Huberdeau on his line).

 

[Wats]

Considering Huberdeau has 72%Ozs with only half a minute less ice time per game and about as many PK mins as Barkov despite playing 13 games more. It’s quite clear that it created more opportunities to Huberdeau than took them away.

Huberdeau produced 92 points in 18/19 with less than 50% Ozs. Gaudreau also got pumped with Ozs btw.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Are people not aware that Huberdeau is 2 months older than Gaudreau?

Anyway, I will say Gaudreau here..but it's going to be closer than people think.

 

[Fatass]

Gaudreau over 8 years easily

Calgary will not be a power house on offense and Hub is already 30

If everything pawn out Columbus will have a hell of a transition game, Werenski Jiricek Boqvist Mateychuk with Laine and they young player

Yup. Johnny will be over 800 points and Huberdeau will be closer to 600.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

Gaudreau by far.

Calgary's up-and-coming prospects and supporting cast, combined with cap flexibility and style of play, will hinder Huby in a big way for points.

Columbus' future looks bright if the prospects pan out and they can navigate the cap well. Jarmo seems to be doing a decent job of building a culture that players want to be a part of.

 

[OKR]

Huberdeau produced 92 points in 18/19 with less than 50% Ozs. Gaudreau also got pumped with Ozs btw.

61%>50%, Huberdeau has never had less than 50%Ozs.

The point was that having Barkov’s line take the hardest matchups allowed Huberdeau to get the easier matchups, while Gaudreau’s line has been the only line in Flames that opponents had to focus on.

 

[koyvoo]

I predict that both of them will produce at a much higher clip in the regular season than in the post season, where both will struggle to produce up to their standards and abilities.

 

[Wats]

61%>50%, Huberdeau has never had less than 50%Ozs.

The point was that having Barkov’s line take the hardest matchups allowed Huberdeau to get the easier matchups, while Gaudreau’s line has been the only line in Flames that opponents had to focus on.

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Huberdeau​

Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
		Corsi (EV)	Fenwick (EV)	PDO (EV)	Zone Starts (EV)
2012-13	19	FLA	NHL	48	697.6	691	653	51.4	2.8	527	497	51.5	4.2	25	6.4	42	88.6	94.9	63.9	36.1
2013-14	20	FLA	NHL	69	928.4	888	839	51.4	1.0	660	650	50.4	-0.9	39	7.9	43	91.2	99.0	53.9	46.1
2014-15	21	FLA	NHL	79	1124.8	1064	946	52.9	2.2	793	718	52.5	1.9	54	9.2	40	92.5	101.7	51.1	48.9
2015-16	22	FLA	NHL	76	1132.6	963	1023	48.5	-0.3	779	794	49.5	0.6	66	11.2	45	92.0	103.2	43.2	56.8
2016-17	23	FLA	NHL	31	473.8	482	391	55.2	7.4	381	321	54.3	6.7	25	8.6	25	89.7	98.3	61.1	38.9
2017-18	24	FLA	NHL	82	1276.2	1365	1263	51.9	3.9	1050	958	52.3	3.3	72	9.2	71	89.9	99.1	46.5	53.5
2018-19	25	FLA	NHL	82	1252.4	1280	1183	52.0	3.7	994	917	52.0	3.1	72	9.6	77	88.4	98.0	49.2	50.8
2019-20	26	FLA	NHL	69	1033.2	1008	946	51.6	2.7	781	740	51.3	2.0	72	12.1	64	88.6	100.7	58.2	41.8
2020-21	27	FLA	NHL	55	772.9	712	596	54.4	1.2	572	464	55.2	2.0	52	11.8	36	90.0	101.9	64.8	35.2
2021-22	28	FLA	NHL	80	1111.2	1199	894	57.3	0.7	910	704	56.4	-0.2	91	12.8	59	89.0	101.8	70.2	29.8
Career			NHL	671	9803.1	9652	8734	52.5	2.0	7447	6763	52.4	1.7	568	10.1	502	90.0	100.1	54.9	45.1

Gaudreau is the one who never had less than 50%

Gaudreau​

			Corsi (EV)	Fenwick (EV)	PDO (EV)	Zone Starts (EV)
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
2013-14	20	CGY	NHL	1	13.7	11	8	57.9		7	5	58.3		1	25.0	0	100.0	125.0	28.6	71.4
2014-15	21	CGY	NHL	80	1178.7	1095	1220	47.3	3.7	783	847	48.0	2.9	67	12.2	54	90.8	102.9	56.0	44.0
2015-16	22	CGY	NHL	79	1280.0	1221	1195	50.5	3.1	884	875	50.3	2.2	71	10.8	65	89.4	100.2	56.7	43.3
2016-17	23	CGY	NHL	72	1092.2	1048	977	51.8	1.7	773	733	51.3	1.5	49	8.6	52	90.2	98.7	63.3	36.7
2017-18	24	CGY	NHL	80	1268.8	1424	1190	54.5	1.9	1059	933	53.2	0.4	75	10.2	66	89.8	100.0	59.3	40.7
2018-19	25	CGY	NHL	82	1370.0	1443	1184	54.9	1.7	1068	920	53.7	0.9	88	11.5	67	89.6	101.1	57.8	42.2
2019-20	26	CGY	NHL	70	1089.8	1103	1031	51.7	1.8	812	807	50.2	0.7	50	8.5	56	90.5	99.0	58.7	41.3
2020-21	27	CGY	NHL	56	830.9	755	672	52.9	0.0	579	517	52.8	0.4	40	9.7	37	90.2	99.9	60.0	40.0
2021-22	28	CGY	NHL	82	1276.2	1401	1050	57.2	2.5	1078	820	56.8	2.6	118	15.3	52	91.3	106.5	53.9	46.1
Career			NHL	602	9400.3	9501	8527	52.7	2.2	7043	6457	52.2	1.5	559	11.0	449	90.2	101.3	58.0	42.0

 

[OKR]

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Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
		Corsi (EV)	Fenwick (EV)	PDO (EV)	Zone Starts (EV)
2012-13	19	FLA	NHL	48	697.6	691	653	51.4	2.8	527	497	51.5	4.2	25	6.4	42	88.6	94.9	63.9	36.1
2013-14	20	FLA	NHL	69	928.4	888	839	51.4	1.0	660	650	50.4	-0.9	39	7.9	43	91.2	99.0	53.9	46.1
2014-15	21	FLA	NHL	79	1124.8	1064	946	52.9	2.2	793	718	52.5	1.9	54	9.2	40	92.5	101.7	51.1	48.9
2015-16	22	FLA	NHL	76	1132.6	963	1023	48.5	-0.3	779	794	49.5	0.6	66	11.2	45	92.0	103.2	43.2	56.8
2016-17	23	FLA	NHL	31	473.8	482	391	55.2	7.4	381	321	54.3	6.7	25	8.6	25	89.7	98.3	61.1	38.9
2017-18	24	FLA	NHL	82	1276.2	1365	1263	51.9	3.9	1050	958	52.3	3.3	72	9.2	71	89.9	99.1	46.5	53.5
2018-19	25	FLA	NHL	82	1252.4	1280	1183	52.0	3.7	994	917	52.0	3.1	72	9.6	77	88.4	98.0	49.2	50.8
2019-20	26	FLA	NHL	69	1033.2	1008	946	51.6	2.7	781	740	51.3	2.0	72	12.1	64	88.6	100.7	58.2	41.8
2020-21	27	FLA	NHL	55	772.9	712	596	54.4	1.2	572	464	55.2	2.0	52	11.8	36	90.0	101.9	64.8	35.2
2021-22	28	FLA	NHL	80	1111.2	1199	894	57.3	0.7	910	704	56.4	-0.2	91	12.8	59	89.0	101.8	70.2	29.8
Career			NHL	671	9803.1	9652	8734	52.5	2.0	7447	6763	52.4	1.7	568	10.1	502	90.0	100.1	54.9	45.1

 

[OKR]

Also posting Gaudreaus OZS% is entirely irrelevant, could you stop lol

 

[Wats]

What's the point of included PP or PK zone starts in the argument involving even strength matchups?

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

It entirely depends on if Johnny can maintain his speed and quickness into his 30s. Whenever that goes it will be a quick downfall for him.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It entirely depends on if Johnny can maintain his speed and quickness into his 30s. Whenever that goes it will be a quick downfall for him.

I doubt it. He'll still have the best IQ and anticipation in the league when he loses a step.

 

[treple13]

I think Gaudreau is the better player and I think his game ages better. That said, it's always tough to make these comparisons since there is so much other stuff in play. I trust Huberdeau's linemates more in the short term than Gaudreau's. Calgary looks better overall than Columbus this year.

Honestly I just wish I lived in an alternate reality where Calgary could have re-signed Gaudreau AND made the Tkachuk for Huberdeau-Weegar deal and we'd have both.

 

[bobholly39]

Are people not aware that Huberdeau is 2 months older than Gaudreau?

Anyway, I will say Gaudreau here..but it's going to be closer than people think.

wow....nope. If i had to guess I would have expected 2-3 years difference with Huberdeau older, didn't realize it was so close.

I voted Huberdeau by accident...I initially assumed it was Tkachuk vs Huberdeau, and prefered Huberdeau. vs Gaudreau....i'm tempted to take Gaudreau. It's actually a very close poll though.

I think Gaudreau's highs > Huberdeau's highs, but Gaudreau's lows have also been a lot worst, so it's a tradeoff.

 

[treple13]

The numbers don't lie - Monahan has never produced better than a bottom 6 player without Gaudreau while being very poor all over the ice.

Monahan only ever played one full season before this last one without Gaudreau and had 22 goals. That's top 6 production.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Monahan only ever played one full season before this last one without Gaudreau and had 22 goals. That's top 6 production.

and 34 points despite shooting at 16%. That's not top 6 production.

His career 5v5 p/60 without Gaudreau before this season was something like 1.38. That's not top 5 production.