Value of: Mitch Marner

[Stubu]

Please start a thread with this proposal

I'm too shy and it was a lil bit lunatic

 

[WaW]

Toronto fans: "Marner is overrated, can't drive the play on his own, doesn't show up in the playoffs, and his contract is horrible. We have to trade him."

Also Toronto fans: "looool at all of your offers. We need "A" prospects and 1sts back."

Pick one.

If a trade were really on the table (which I doubt), most GMs would be pretty up front with Dubas about seeing him as more of a Leafs cap dump than a value add for their team. Not to say it can't be both, but it absolutely is both, and emphasis needs to be placed on the cap circumstances around any Marner trade. His contract is laughable, the cap will be flat for likely another 4-5 years, and if he continues to put up similar 1.15 ppg production as he's basically done throughout his career so far, he's going to want a raise at the end of it when the cap is still barely higher than it is now.

I think the Leaf fans who want him to be traded need to be more realistic about what they'd get back. A combination of "B" prospects, middle six forwards, 2nd pairing dmen, and 2nd round picks are what you're looking at in a trade with 0% retained and no awful cap dumps going the other way.

If his contract were more in the Aho to Rantanen range, this would be an entirely different discussion. 11 million for a support winger (a really damn good one, but a support player nonetheless) is just completely insane in this climate though.

 

[Paddys Pub]

I feel like Leafs and canucks might make a trade this off season. Both GMs will be on the hot seat. I dunno how to make it work but something like Marner for Boeser/Schmidt as the main pieces. I don’t know what else needs to get added around it. Don’t kill me just throwing something out there lol.

Absolutely not. Major no way.
Vancouver wants no part of that insanely overpaid playoff ghost.

 

[elmaco]

Marner ($10.9m 5yr)

for

Komarov ($3.0m 2yr)
Eberle ($5.5m 4yr)
Isles 2021 2nd

Considering the contracts it's not completely crazy.

Trotz whips Mitch into shape and Leafs get what they now need for the locker room (and Eberle as top 6 winger).

Leafs get a couple mil immediate cap relief, more in two years. Fix the goaltending, don't really see any other glaring roster shortcomings.

From the Isles viewpoint Marner is overpaid, that's why only a 2nd rd pick added.

It's a little bit nutty but not bernmeister insane. Anyway didn't want to start the 139th Marner trade thread today...

This is atrocious for TOR.

 

[peconcan]

Marner isn’t going anywhere

 

[Stubu]

This is atrocious for TOR.

Is it?

What makes you think so? The players or the contracts?

 

[CatchyTune]

Marner ($10.9m 5yr)

for

Komarov ($3.0m 2yr)
Eberle ($5.5m 4yr)
Isles 2021 2nd

Considering the contracts it's not completely crazy.

Trotz whips Mitch into shape and Leafs get what they now need for the locker room (and Eberle as top 6 winger).

Leafs get a couple mil immediate cap relief, more in two years. Fix the goaltending, don't really see any other glaring roster shortcomings.

From the Isles viewpoint Marner is overpaid, that's why only a 2nd rd pick added.

It's a little bit nutty but not bernmeister insane. Anyway didn't want to start the 139th Marner trade thread today...

Holy. f***. If this is serious, its up there for worst proposal ive seen here.

How about, Spezza, Kerfoot, and our 2nd for Barzal?

 

[iggy]

Holy. f***. If this is serious, its up there for worst proposal ive seen here.

How about, Spezza, Kerfoot, and our 2nd for Barzal?

Toronto fans are delusional if they believe that they are going to get a mega package for Marner. Great young talent but 11 million cap hit is hindering his value. Unless Toronto retains he might get a decent player and some cap dumps.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Is it?

What makes you think so? The players or the conracts?

Needs something much better than Eberle.

 

[Barnaby]

What about a team that wants to reach the cap floor. Why would he only get traded to a team close to a cup? He could go to a middle of the pack team and maybe get that team into the playoffs. Lots of teams out there that don’t have one player even close to the talent of Marner.

Which team striving to reach the cap floor would make sense for Marner? I’m not doubting he’d get dealt for a nice package, but let’s not try to act like his contract is an asset either. Even if he’s worth the money, it’s going to involve salary cap gymnastics with most teams.

 

[CatchyTune]

Toronto fans are delusional if they believe that they are going to get a mega package for Marner. Great young talent but 11 million cap hit is hindering his value. Unless Toronto retains he might get a decent player and some cap dumps.

never said anything about a "mega package". but it would sure as hell be more than Jordan Eberle and Leo Komarov lmao

 

[TOGuy14]

Marner ($10.9m 5yr)

for

Komarov ($3.0m 2yr)
Eberle ($5.5m 4yr)
Isles 2021 2nd

Considering the contracts it's not completely crazy.

Trotz whips Mitch into shape and Leafs get what they now need for the locker room (and Eberle as top 6 winger).

Leafs get a couple mil immediate cap relief, more in two years. Fix the goaltending, don't really see any other glaring roster shortcomings.

From the Isles viewpoint Marner is overpaid, that's why only a 2nd rd pick added.

It's a little bit nutty but not bernmeister insane. Anyway didn't want to start the 139th Marner trade thread today...

Leaf fan here who isn't that big on Marner right now, this is definitely completely crazy

 

[RWatson29]

Marner ($10.9m 5yr)

for

Komarov ($3.0m 2yr)
Eberle ($5.5m 4yr)
Isles 2021 2nd

Considering the contracts it's not completely crazy.

Trotz whips Mitch into shape and Leafs get what they now need for the locker room (and Eberle as top 6 winger).

Leafs get a couple mil immediate cap relief, more in two years. Fix the goaltending, don't really see any other glaring roster shortcomings.

From the Isles viewpoint Marner is overpaid, that's why only a 2nd rd pick added.

It's a little bit nutty but not bernmeister insane. Anyway didn't want to start the 139th Marner trade thread today...

this is a joke, right?

 

[Barnaby]

Leaf fan here who isn't that big on Marner right now, this is definitely completely crazy

You forgot the mid-late 2nd in an under scouted draft year that’s widely stated to be mediocre.

never said anything about a "mega package". but it would sure as hell be more than Jordan Eberle and Leo Komarov lmao

 

[Mickey Marner]

I don't expect a great return, but that Iles offer deserves an infraction for trolling.

 

[Stubu]

This is atrocious for TOR.

Maybe it should have been a 1st... But the fishsticks pick ain't being high up anyway.

 

[lawrence]

I don’t care what people say. I rather have Pierre luc dubois on my team over marner. Playoffs for sure and if that means regular season also than so be it.

 

[Forge]

Marner ($10.9m 5yr)

for

Komarov ($3.0m 2yr)
Eberle ($5.5m 4yr)
Isles 2021 2nd

Considering the contracts it's not completely crazy.

Trotz whips Mitch into shape and Leafs get what they now need for the locker room (and Eberle as top 6 winger).

Leafs get a couple mil immediate cap relief, more in two years. Fix the goaltending, don't really see any other glaring roster shortcomings.

From the Isles viewpoint Marner is overpaid, that's why only a 2nd rd pick added.

It's a little bit nutty but not bernmeister insane. Anyway didn't want to start the 139th Marner trade thread today...

Marner may not have the biggest market because of his cap hit, but this deal gets completely smashed by another team even in a limited market

 

[93gilmour93]

Which team striving to reach the cap floor would make sense for Marner? I’m not doubting he’d get dealt for a nice package, but let’s not try to act like his contract is an asset either. Even if he’s worth the money, it’s going to involve salary cap gymnastics with most teams.

After the next Bonus is payed to Marner next months lots of teams looking to save money coming out of Covid would love a top 5 scorer with a 10.9 cap hit but only costs 6.2 per year in real money. Doesn’t really matter cause he’s not going anywhere but that’s a very appealing contract to any small market team

 

[Leaf Fans]

Toronto fans: "Marner is overrated, can't drive the play on his own, doesn't show up in the playoffs, and his contract is horrible. We have to trade him."

Also Toronto fans: "looool at all of your offers. We need "A" prospects and 1sts back."

Pick one.

If a trade were really on the table (which I doubt), most GMs would be pretty up front with Dubas about seeing him as more of a Leafs cap dump than a value add for their team. Not to say it can't be both, but it absolutely is both, and emphasis needs to be placed on the cap circumstances around any Marner trade. His contract is laughable, the cap will be flat for likely another 4-5 years, and if he continues to put up similar 1.15 ppg production as he's basically done throughout his career so far, he's going to want a raise at the end of it when the cap is still barely higher than it is now.

I think the Leaf fans who want him to be traded need to be more realistic about what they'd get back. A combination of "B" prospects, middle six forwards, 2nd pairing dmen, and 2nd round picks are what you're looking at in a trade with 0% retained and no awful cap dumps going the other way.

If his contract were more in the Aho to Rantanen range, this would be an entirely different discussion. 11 million for a support winger (a really damn good one, but a support player nonetheless) is just completely insane in this climate though.

Leafs fans have picked. Not all of them see it the same way. If you want Leaf fans to be realistic about what they want, you have to be realistic about his value. Besides, at this point, it is the team that doesn't want to trade him. However, that could change with a realistic offer.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Marner ($10.9m 5yr)

for

Komarov ($3.0m 2yr)
Eberle ($5.5m 4yr)
Isles 2021 2nd

Considering the contracts it's not completely crazy.

Trotz whips Mitch into shape and Leafs get what they now need for the locker room (and Eberle as top 6 winger).

Leafs get a couple mil immediate cap relief, more in two years. Fix the goaltending, don't really see any other glaring roster shortcomings.

From the Isles viewpoint Marner is overpaid, that's why only a 2nd rd pick added.

It's a little bit nutty but not bernmeister insane. Anyway didn't want to start the 139th Marner trade thread today...

If that's what landed Marner, then I'd be pissed at Hextall for not easily beating that offer.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If that's what landed Marner, then I'd be pissed at Hextall for not easily beating that offer.

Lucky, it is not even close.

 

[Stubu]

Lucky, it is not even close.

Just to be clear, I am in fact not a General Manager employed by a NHL franchise. I am a random tweeb posting on HFBoards. These convos do not end up affecting the actual player trades between NHL clubs one iota. In case there was some confusion.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Just to be clear, I am in fact not a General Manager employed by a NHL franchise. I am a random tweeb posting on HFBoards. These convos do not end up affecting the actual player trades between NHL clubs one iota. In case there was some confusion.

Of course not. Did someone tell you we do?

 

[Stubu]

Of course not. Did someone tell you we do?

Well, no, but we should be polite toward the francophones and kekkoslovaks here. How are they sure it's humor?