Value of: Miller + to EDM for Oilers 2018 1st pick [unconditional]

[Fatty McLardy]

24 year old 50~ player is not that good?

Thanks for letting everyone here know you have no idea who the hell JT Miller even is.

he sucks in the playoffs plain and simple, he's the definition of Anti-clutch.

 

[bernmeister]

Although there are handful of exceptions, this looks like the consensus is Oil would rather not take the risk.

I would listen with an open mind as to if a sweetener would push the deal over to a yes. However, I don't expect what EDM likely to demand close enough = to what NY would pay.

Let's see if there is anything further to the discussion.
Thanks to all for replying.

 

[bernmeister]

he sucks in the playoffs plain and simple, he's the definition of Anti-clutch.

Most of the team besides Kreider and one or 2 others does not have great playoffs, which is why we relied on Hank, and great D.
There are reasons for this, but the common thread is AV, who we agree is an idiot playing his faves, esp. vets, and one factor for which is the constant juggling of the lines.
No wonder there is no chemistry.

In SPITE of this, JTM has decent totals.
He obviously has the physical gifts, he will crush it with the right top line.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

24 year old 50~ player is not that good?

Thanks for letting everyone here know you have no idea who the hell JT Miller even is.

RNH has been a ~50 point player since he was 18 years old - on average 55 points per 82 games - and certain idiots say they wouldn't even claim him off waivers, so...

 

[member 105785]

Look at the draft picka involved.

what about it? The Rangers look bad for the forseeable future, why add a 50 pt forward to a 2020 1st which is also supposed to be a very deep draft for a first now?

 

[THall4]

A homer?

Are you actually trying to suggest that that offer makes sense for NYR at all?

Even for the fact it would increase their chances of 1OA by 4%?

That is pretty poor odds by comparison for JT Miller plus a first round pick.

Your getting not 1 but 2 shots at Rasmus Dahlin.

Worst case you get 2 solid prospects in a deep draft to start your rebuild. 2 top 10 picks...

But its a moot point..cuz the Oilers would do it anyway

 

[THall4]

If ya don't like the value, fine, that's why I asked.
But let's be fair and accurate.
It's not just Miller, it's Miller and a future 1st.

The whole thing is where do you think Oilers finish
a) w/out Miller
b) w/Miller

yes the Rangers 2020 is a crapshoot, but you are getting the F now to move up.

EDM needs more quality players
Miller is better than 50pts w/o AV, and would help create a dominant line with McDavid + LeoDrai

w/o knowing where we your team finishes and what that means to lottery odds, it's a guesstimate of reward v risk

Hes better w/o AV ? WTF does that even mean...the only coach he's ever played for is AV..so how does this have any merit at all?

 

[Kupo]

he sucks in the playoffs plain and simple, he's the definition of Anti-clutch.

Yea, because a players career is defined at the ripe ages of 21, 22, and 23. Derp.

 

[Kupo]

In SPITE of this, JTM has decent totals.
He obviously has the physical gifts, he will crush it with the right top line.

You can’t blame everything on AV. I personally want his ass to GTFO, but J.T. is not some extraordinary top line talent oozing with skill that’s being handcuffed by his head coach.

He’s a versatile 2nd line forward that can score and create plays. His passing and vision are underrated. If he puts it all together he can be a lower tier top line forward with finesse and grit.

He’s still just a 24 year old who’s rounding out his game. He goes through stretches where his consistency can be frustrating- a trend you see with most players of his age in the NHL.

You don’t move a player like that unless the return is significant. I would definitely entertain offers for him. Everyone is Available for the right price.

 

[Fatty McLardy]

Yea, because a players career is defined at the ripe ages of 21, 22, and 23. Derp.

41 games is too small of a sample apparently....sounds like you're having hard time dealing with the fact that JT Miller doesn't do much for his team in the playoffs..

 

[Seachd]

J.T. Miller isn't the kind of player a GM would take that big of a risk on.

 

[Kupo]

41 games is too small of a sample apparently....sounds like you're having hard time dealing with the fact that JT Miller doesn't do much for his team in the playoffs..

He’s scored 16p in 41g. As a 21-22-23 year old.

You can help your team win without producing a PPG. But maybe you’re unaware of that phenomenon.

Shocker, no?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Awful

No doubt, give me a damn break, this is crap.

 

[yababy]

Wtf?

Am I reading this right?

JT Miller plus a 2020 1st for Oilers 1st (Unprotected)?

That is a massively ridiculous offer from a Rangers stand point. We lose a young 50+ point scorer and a 1st rounder for.....well a 1st Rounder

You forgot to add "LOL" to your post. You're obviously being cheeky

 

[ManofSteel55]

A homer?

Are you actually trying to suggest that that offer makes sense for NYR at all?

Even for the fact it would increase their chances of 1OA by 4%?

That is pretty poor odds by comparison for JT Miller plus a first round pick.

The first you would be giving up is 2 seasons out though. The Rangers essentially double their chance at Dahlin and give up nothing of consequence unless they are at the bottom of the standings in 2020.

 

[Rebels57]

The Oilers being in the lottery nmeans the Oilers probably win the lottery. That pick is not getting traded.

 

[ManofSteel55]

what about it? The Rangers look bad for the forseeable future, why add a 50 pt forward to a 2020 1st which is also supposed to be a very deep draft for a first now?

Because GM's want picks now more than in the future - they turn into players faster.

 

[bernmeister]

J.T. Miller isn't the kind of player a GM would take that big of a risk on.

What about new deal,
Zibanejad
for
Oil 2018 1st
unprotected, straight up

Zib was 6OA, righty shot, would be awesome w/McD/Drai/Poolparty.
Nice term at a reasonable 5+ m
Yours immediately.
But... however the lottery breaks out, that's what we paid for, and the risk NY takes.

The first you would be giving up is 2 seasons out though. The Rangers essentially double their chance at Dahlin and give up nothing of consequence unless they are at the bottom of the standings in 2020.

I would not say Miller, a former 15OA who could have gone earlier, is "nothing of consequence".

 

[TFHockey]

What about new deal,
Zibanejad
for
Oil 2018 1st
unprotected, straight up

Zib was 6OA, righty shot, would be awesome w/McD/Drai/Poolparty.
Nice term at a reasonable 5+ m
Yours immediately.
But... however the lottery breaks out, that's what we paid for, and the risk NY takes.


I would not say Miller, a former 15OA who could have gone earlier, is "nothing of consequence".

Nobody is going to deal their 2018 1st until they know where in the lottery it is going to be. Forget the unprotected part of your trade proposal.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What about new deal,
Zibanejad
for
Oil 2018 1st
unprotected, straight up

Zib was 6OA, righty shot, would be awesome w/McD/Drai/Poolparty.
Nice term at a reasonable 5+ m
Yours immediately.
But... however the lottery breaks out, that's what we paid for, and the risk NY takes.

 

[Seachd]

What about new deal,
Zibanejad
for
Oil 2018 1st
unprotected, straight up

Zib was 6OA, righty shot, would be awesome w/McD/Drai/Poolparty.
Nice term at a reasonable 5+ m
Yours immediately.
But... however the lottery breaks out, that's what we paid for, and the risk NY takes.

You have to think to yourself if a GM would give up Dahlin (or one of the other top 3 picks) up for Zibanejad. That’s what they’re considering. They’re not likely to concern themselves with the risk being so small. It just doesn’t make sense for them.

 

[member 105785]

Because GM's want picks now more than in the future - they turn into players faster.

If GM's want players, why would NYR be packaging Miller with a question mark first which will likely be a lottery pick as well as NYR seems to be open to a rebuild. They could just trade Miller for a 1st at the TDL and have an extra pick instead of combining 2 assets for one first

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Horrible for NY LOL

Rangers can realistically finish behind Edmonton. Why are they giving up Miller for potentially worse pick ahahahahha

 

[The S5]

he sucks in the playoffs plain and simple, he's the definition of Anti-clutch.

Guaranty you haven't seen him play one second in the playoffs.

 

[Mandar]

Guaranty you haven't seen him play one second in the playoffs.

One goal....ONE.. in 41 playoff games. And I have seen every second of each of them. Consistently demoted to lower lines due to ineffective play. Gets top 6 minutes though...no excuses for him. Glass was a more effective playoff performer.