Prospect Info: Mikhail Sergachev Part III

[Leafer34]

Thanks for corroborating my story, he's had his worst season since his first three in the league.

Decline!

Hunwick had more even strength points

 

[CauZuki]

Just a pp specialist

It's absolutely ridiculous the things that people say sometimes.

MAB was a PP specialist , are we seriously comparing Weber to him now?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I'm afraid of that powerhouse. Those Leafs fans will hunt us for the next 10 years if we don't change our core. We won't have the upper hand soon anymore.

Our only hope is for Galchenyuk to finally start becoming an offensive force for us. He needs to show the league that he's not a complementary player but on the other hand, a catalyst. The one who other players fear. Not a 3rd line winger that disappears.

Then add in young players like Lehkonen and Sergachev. We have those 2 that can become special players. Other in line would be Scherbak. That remains to be seen if he can turn out anything close to a top 6 winger. Victor Mete, Lernout might contribute but have many years before coming into our lineup.

We need to add to that core: Galchenyuk, Lehkonen and Sergachev.

The rest:

Carey Price
Shea Weber
Alex Radulov(if resigned)
Max Pacioretty
Brendan Gallagher

That's about it. That's our team.

Matthews-Nylander-Marner demonstrate more potential than any of our young players. We have to counter. We have to trust Galchenyuk becoming an offensive force. We can't only settle for 60 pts from him. He needs to be a PPG player. playing 18-20 mins per game. Sergachev is better than all of the Leafs dmen prospects. We have that over them.

The reality is we do not have the assets that will allow us to compete with Toronto once their core young players hit their prime and learn how to win. I suspect very few teams have such assets. Our one chance was the Subban trade. We frankly did not get enough in return. And with that miscalculation, we will soon be eclipsed by Toronto. I fear it will be at least another decade (or more) before a realistic window appears for Montreal to be regarded as a legitimate contender. Nothing in our current roster or prospects convinces me otherwise.

 

[Jabba11]

The reality is we do not have the assets that will allow us to compete with Toronto once their core young players hit their prime and learn how to win. I suspect very few teams have such assets. Our one chance was the Subban trade. We frankly did not get enough in return. And with that miscalculation, we will soon be eclipsed by Toronto. I fear it will be at least another decade (or more) before a realistic window appears for Montreal to be regarded as a legitimate contender. Nothing in our current roster or prospects convinces me otherwise.

Then commit 100% to our present core but add a #1C. Go after Tavares. Surround him with what we have now. Anyhow, I don't think we're in the good thread for this discussion.

I still believe that Misha is part of the solution. Here in Montreal.

 

[Belial]

Its been explained to you many times now. At this point you're just not accepting it because you don't want to. Weber used to be an all world dman, not he's basically just a PP specialist.

Great stuff! We should dress him as a 7th D and use him only on the PP so he doesn't cost us too many games out there!

 

[LastWordArmy]

Obviously saying weber is a PP specialist is silly.

Hes good defensively 5v5 and on the PK.

But in terms of offence. He is not generating much 5v5.

 

[paddy]

Another player you overrate like crazy who has been with the habs forever and hasn't led us anywhere.

And you laugh it up like it's all good.

Markov was a non-factor offensively in this year's playoffs. He was also a factor negatively defensively. He has a history of being injured.

He's a good player but as long as we head into playoffs thinking he's a top player for us we're doomed to fail. We're putting all our bets on the wrong horses atm.

Same thing with Pacioretty.



It's precisely the opposite though. Markov looks great on any stat sheet.

Also age is a real thing that makes players worse. Markov could completely fall off a cliff any day now.

We're not going all in with Markov as a top dog. The point was: he's still a very good D.

There's so much wrong with your post I won't even bother.

Anyway, this thread is about Sergachev.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Just a pp specialist

Offensively he is. Basically a superior version of Sheldon Souray.

 

[Lebowski]

Offensively he is. Basically a superior version of Sheldon Souray.

Sheldon Souray with better defense is how I've defined Weber since the day the trade happened.

It's not meant in a negative way either. Souray was a beast for us.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Then commit 100% to our present core but add a #1C. Go after Tavares. Surround him with what we have now. Anyhow, I don't think we're in the good thread for this discussion.

I still believe that Misha is part of the solution. Here in Montreal.

I believe Montreal is now well behind the curve in its search for a championship. Toronto hit bottom and was able to select Matthews, Marner, etc. This process of replenishment was matched by Chicago and Pittsburgh whose futility allowed them to draft the two or three elite, core players upon which a championship team could be built. There is no one player that Montreal could reasonably acquire that would transform the current team into a serious championship contender. With Price and the team's other notable players, Montreal will remain a playoff team, but nothing more. After decades of mismanagement, with their dynamic group of young players, a capable coach and strong management, the era of the Toronto Maple Leaf's supremacy will soon be upon us.

 

[Goldenhands]

Obviously saying weber is a PP specialist is silly.

Hes good defensively 5v5 and on the PK.

But in terms of offence. He is not generating much 5v5.

At 6'4 235 lbs you cant expect him to be a puckmover.. You have to find one to pair him with, I expect Sergachev to be this guy in the not so far future..

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Sheldon Souray with better defense is how I've defined Weber since the day the trade happened.

It's not meant in a negative way either. Souray was a beast for us.

That's how I've looked at it to but for some reason people seem to have this hugely negative opinion of him around here. I guess one other thing Weber has on Souray is he isn't injury prone. Souray always seemed to be getting himself injured.

 

[Jabba11]

I believe Montreal is now well behind the curve in its search for a championship. Toronto hit bottom and was able to select Matthews, Marner, etc. This process of replenishment was matched by Chicago and Pittsburgh whose futility allowed them to draft the two or three elite, core players upon which a championship team could be built. There is no one player that Montreal could reasonably acquire that would transform the current team into a serious championship contender. With Price and the team's other notable players, Montreal will remain a playoff team, but nothing more. After decades of mismanagement, with their dynamic group of young players, a capable coach and strong management, the era of the Toronto Maple Leaf's supremacy will soon be upon us.

We can run, but we can't hide. This is a fact. We will suffer against the Leafs.

And the worst, is that if ever we decide to rebuild from the ground up, we might never get out with a player of their quality. Matthews is the real deal. We might be in a Hall-RNH-Yakupov type of era of 1st overall picks.

If ever we're in a rebuild and happen to have the top pick, let's just hope for that pick to be a Patrick Kane type of 1st overall.

 

[le_sean]

We can run, but we can't hide. This is a fact. We will suffer against the Leafs.

And the worst, is that if ever we decide to rebuild from the ground up, we might never get out with a player of their quality. Matthews is the real deal. We might be in a Hall-RNH-Yakupov type of era of 1st overall picks.

If ever we're in a rebuild and happen to have the top pick, let's just hope for that pick to be a Patrick Kane type of 1st overall.

Actually Dahlin and Svechnikov are both better prospects than Matthews IMO. At the very least they are at the same level. So yes, if the Habs tanked now they would get a player of equal value. The difference is the Habs wouldn't have a Marner and Nylander.

 

[David Suzuki]

We can run, but we can't hide. This is a fact. We will suffer against the Leafs.

And the worst, is that if ever we decide to rebuild from the ground up, we might never get out with a player of their quality. Matthews is the real deal. We might be in a Hall-RNH-Yakupov type of era of 1st overall picks.

If ever we're in a rebuild and happen to have the top pick, let's just hope for that pick to be a Patrick Kane type of 1st overall.

This is not what a fact is

 

[c3z4r]

There's a Weber thread everyone, no need to pollute everything on this board with the trade.

 

[Jabba11]

Actually Dahlin and Svechnikov are both better prospects than Matthews IMO. At the very least they are at the same level. So yes, if the Habs tanked now they would get a player of equal value. The difference is the Habs wouldn't have a Marner and Nylander.

You know what hurt us? Even if we land both of these players? We would still have no #1C.

 

[jaffy27]

Its been explained to you many times now. At this point you're just not accepting it because you don't want to. Weber used to be an all world dman, not he's basically just a PP specialist.

Explained by HF posters?

This place went up in arms when it was RUMORED that Bouillon would be a coach .....which of course never happened.

Everything that is said here should be taken with a pound of salt.

 

[jaffy27]

You know what hurt us? Even if we land both of these players? We would still have no #1C.

Et voilà!

 

[BatVader]

Then commit 100% to our present core but add a #1C. Go after Tavares. Surround him with what we have now. Anyhow, I don't think we're in the good thread for this discussion.

I still believe that Misha is part of the solution. Here in Montreal.

And what are you going to acquire Tavares with, if not part of that core!
Magic beans and fairy dust?

If we are not willing to pay the cost, "Sergachev+", we will not be trading for a 1C.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And what are you going to acquire Tavares with, if not part of that core!
Magic beans and fairy dust?

If we are not willing to pay the cost, "Sergachev+", we will not be trading for a 1C.

Galchenyuk, 1st, Juulsen or Mete, Scherbak, Lindgren or McNiven. That kind of package. They will ask for Sergachev but if it's a sign and trade type deal, the value goes down slightly for Tavares because he would choose the teams he wants to play with. If the Islanders don't like the deal, Tavares blocks the trade. You may think the Habs have to offer more but I wonder who in the league would have a better package to offer. Most teams would not want to give up an asset like Galchenyuk.

That's if Tavares even becomes available...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Its been explained to you many times now. At this point you're just not accepting it because you don't want to. Weber used to be an all world dman, not he's basically just a PP specialist.

Genuine question... So if you agree Weber used to be a all world Dman, what has he done (or not done) to become just a PP specialist? I'm not seeing no evidence of his decline except for being traded to a hockey town for a very popular player?

 

[LastWordArmy]

At 6'4 235 lbs you cant expect him to be a puckmover.. You have to find one to pair him with, I expect Sergachev to be this guy in the not so far future..

When you traded a 4 years younger, Norris Trophy winning, defenceman for him; you can expect him to be an all-world player. And while he's good, he's not that level of elite.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Galchenyuk, 1st, Juulsen or Mete, Scherbak, Lindgren or McNiven. That kind of package. They will ask for Sergachev but if it's a sign and trade type deal, the value goes down slightly for Tavares because he would choose the teams he wants to play with. If the Islanders don't like the deal, Tavares blocks the trade. You may think the Habs have to offer more but I wonder who in the league would have a better package to offer. Most teams would not want to give up an asset like Galchenyuk.

That's if Tavares even becomes available...

So you are prepared to give up our first round pick plus three of our most recent first rounders plus more for Tavares. The fact that you are prepared to trade these previous high draft choices is a clear indication of why this team continues to be more pretender rather than contendes.

 

[LaP]

When you traded a 4 years younger, Norris Trophy winning, defenceman for him; you can expect him to be an all-world player. And while he's good, he's not that level of elite.

Pretty much my feeling about the whole thing. He is good. But he is overrated by many fans across the league.