TSN: McKenzie :If Habs take a center it's no longer an off the board pick

[Habaneros]

will

I don't think it means that at all.

Kotkaniemi said he plans to come over to NA in a year after one more season with Assat. He put up similar D-year numbers to Rantanen, actually producing one more point. He's no slouch and he's not some low potential pick like some make him out to be. Stop looking at "trends" and look at the actual player in question.

Rantanen wasn't ranked 5th by Tsn

The simple fact Habs are talking about Kota pick at 3..when TSN has him ranked 5th..your playing with bust fire..history shows it .

 

[Habs76]

will


Rantanen wasn't ranked 5th by Tsn

The simple fact Habs are talking about Kota pick at 3..when TSN has him ranked 5th..your playing with bust fire..history shows it .

This take of yours is a joke, and a coincidence. TSN ranking a player 5th doesn't mean he's a bust.

 

[WinterLion]

for fun .. TSN final rankings before draft..from 2013 to 2018 at 5th overall


2018 Kotaneimi
2017 Gabe Valardi
2016 Pierre Luc Dubois
2015 Dylan Strome
2014 - Mike Dal Colle
2013 Elais Lindholm

Are they all C's?

 

[Habs76]

Are they all C's?

MDC isn't. Elias Lindholm was, isn't anymore. The other three are.

But also, to say those are busts is kinda funny. MDC is the only bust of the bunch.

 

[Redux91]

So for all you Kotaneimi guys out there and happy he is now at number 5 overall.....and that means he is no "offboard pick"....ok..

Show me the high impact guy from those final TSN rankings at number 5..

Dal Colle and Strome no NHL impact bust land...Lindholm is a 40 pt center after 5 years......

Now that shows you ,if ya want to stretch and take Kota at 5..well go ahead...

I feel bad for you if this is how you go about life comparing draft picks and players and whatnot.......

its like you think there's actually something TO each player picked at every spot in every draft? its weird you would think like this .. the way you think, all 1st overall picks should be the same player same production, all the 2nd overall picks should be the same type player same type production...

who thinks like this

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

No he doesn't. He models his game after Sasha Barkov.

Is he as skilled as Barkov with the puck ?

 

[WinterLion]

MDC isn't. Elias Lindholm was, isn't anymore. The other three are.

But also, to say those are busts is kinda funny. MDC is the only bust of the bunch.

True, I guess Lindholm has a beena disappointment. Like Galchenyuk kinda...

 

[WinterLion]

Is he as skilled as Barkov with the puck ?

He plays a very efficient game with the puck I find. He makes quick decisions and unexpected passes, but he controls the puck well too and plays a very well rounded game like Barkov.... but Barkov is an absolute beast... I'm not sure it's a fair comparison

 

[Habs76]

Is he as skilled as Barkov with the puck ?

What really separates the two is skating. But really, Kotkaniemi overall is a tier or two below Barky in most areas.

 

[Redux91]

will


Rantanen wasn't ranked 5th by Tsn

The simple fact Habs are talking about Kota pick at 3..when TSN has him ranked 5th..your playing with bust fire..history shows it .

but .. pierre luc dubois was ranked 5 and went 3 ..and he is everything we wish we had.. too bad columbus didnt know what they were doing and went "off the board" slightly to nab him earlier than ranked.......

in case you havent caught on to what im trying to say, nabbing kotka before someone else does where he is ranked isnt the worst thing that you can do bud..... ESPECIALLY when ranked spots 3 to 10 are as tight as they are, even kotka ranked at 10 and grabbing him at 3 didnt seem absolutely CRAZY a month ago, now hes ranked 5 and might go 3 and its VERY plausible to everyone involved that it could happen

 

[Spring in Fialta]

NO, I'm not kidding you. I have the advantage of hindsight evaluation.

This makes no sense. Elaborate. That's a fantastic core, especially if you develop Galchenyuk properly. It's not the core that failed. It's the supporting cast and the GM.

 

[admiralcadillac]

This makes no sense. Elaborate. That's a fantastic core, especially if you develop Galchenyuk properly. It's not the core that failed. It's the supporting cast and the GM.

What if, just what if, Galchenyuk himself was partially to blame for his own lack of development?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Is he as skilled as Barkov with the puck ?

No. Barkov is probably a top 5 puck handler in the entire world. Jesperi has very good puck skills, though.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

He plays a very efficient game with the puck I find. He makes quick decisions and unexpected passes, but he controls the puck well too and plays a very well rounded game like Barkov.... but Barkov is an absolute beast... I'm not sure it's a fair comparison

No. Barkov is probably a top 5 puck handler in the entire world. Jesperi has very good puck skills, though.

What really separates the two is skating. But really, Kotkaniemi overall is a tier or two below Barky in most areas.

Thank you guys for your quick answers !

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I used to work with Grant on some things years ago, he's very connected so either he put that out on his own and the Habs weren't as interested in Kotkaniemi or it came from a close source as he usually knows who the Habs like. Granted I've been out of touch with him for the past few years so I don't know if anything has changed, just going off what I now from the past.

He's likely still close to Timmins, who frequents the Ottawa valley as both live here. No better source on prospects than the main one.

 

[Habaneros]

I feel bad for you if this is how you go about life comparing draft picks and players and whatnot.......

its like you think there's actually something TO each player picked at every spot in every draft? its weird you would think like this .. the way you think, all 1st overall picks should be the same player same production, all the 2nd overall picks should be the same type player same type production...

who thinks like this

well TSN has Sean Couturier at 5th overall in the final draft rankings 2011...he went 8th..until last year when he broke out at 25 years old...he was in the 30 pt a year category

Tsn had Cam Fowler at 5th in 2010 - he went 12th


Show me the real gems from the final TSN draft rankings at 5th?????? from 2009 to 2017

Kota ranked at 5th by Tsn...BUYER BEWARE....

 

[habsgirl5000]

Kotkaniemi overall is a tier or two below Barky in most areas.

there is no problem taking Kotkaniemi at 3OV.....

where there IS a problem, is expecting Kotkaniemi to be (or turn into) a franchise #1C because that he is not, and will never be.....

so im hoping that is not the plan....but with MB you never know,

Kotkaniemi will be a 2nd center at best....lars eller 2.0

my fear is they take Kotkaniemi and play him at #1C for years regardless of his production kind of like DD....hoping he will turn into a matthews or crosby....just so MB can think and say to the fans that he got us a #1C

 

[groovejuice]

will


Rantanen wasn't ranked 5th by Tsn

The simple fact Habs are talking about Kota pick at 3..when TSN has him ranked 5th..your playing with bust fire..history shows it .

You're saying Bergevin needs to avoid a jinx? I've got better advice than that for him.

 

[Habs76]

there is no problem taking Kotkaniemi at 3OV.....

where there IS a problem, is expecting Kotkaniemi to be (or turn into) a franchise #1C because that he is not, and will never be.....

so im hoping that is not the plan....but with MB you never know,

Kotkaniemi will be a 2nd center at best....lars eller 2.0

my fear is the take Kotkaniemi and play him at #1C for years regardless of his production kind of like DD....just so MB can think and say to the fans that he got us a #1C

To say he won't be a franchise #1C is misleading, he definitely could be, it's just not likely. A high end 2C or low end 1C is a realistic expectation. If he was the next Lars Eller, picking him third would be a huge problem.

 

[Svart]

there is no problem taking Kotkaniemi at 3OV.....

where there IS a problem, is expecting Kotkaniemi to be (or turn into) a franchise #1C because that he is not, and will never be.....

so im hoping that is not the plan....but with MB you never know,

Kotkaniemi will be a 2nd center at best....lars eller 2.0

my fear is they take Kotkaniemi and play him at #1C for years regardless of his production kind of like DD....hoping he will turn into a matthews or crosby....just so MB can think and say to the fans that he got us a #1C

You seem well informed. Tell us why you think he doesn't have the tools to be #1C?

 

[Habaneros]

it's way safer to take Brady T than the TSN 5th ranked player.....I never seen anybody ranked 5th by TSN in last 10 years become a franchise turn around type of guy..or star ..so again....dodge the 5th Kota...

I dont want to be here 6 years from now saying what???

 

[Svart]

it's way safer to take Brady T than the TSN 5th ranked player.....I never seen anybody ranked 5th by TSN in last 10 years become a franchise turn around type of guy..or star ..so again....dodge the 5th Kota...

I dont want to be here 6 years from now saying what???

So your argument is we can't take Kotkaniemi because TSN 5th ranked prospect has sucked over the past years?

 

[Habaneros]

So your argument is we can't take Kotkaniemi because TSN 5th ranked prospect has sucked over the past years?

It's simple...

If i handed you a sheet and told you to pick the 5th player on the TSN final draft list every year...YES WRONG MOVES..if you had any hope of landing a turn around type player.

Kota at 5th now on TSN final rank??/ run don't walk...

 

[PricerStopDaPuck]

it's way safer to take Brady T than the TSN 5th ranked player.....I never seen anybody ranked 5th by TSN in last 10 years become a franchise turn around type of guy..or star ..so again....dodge the 5th Kota...

I dont want to be here 6 years from now saying what???

This guys got a point. Why do teams even bother scouting anymore? Just go off of the tsn rankings and compare it to years past! Fool proof

 

[G0bias]

An argument would require a minimum of rationality. This is just drivel.