Mayweather vs McGregor Pt II

[Morozov]

Hey! It took a lot of pages, but finally we're at the real reason it went longer. This is exactly right.

Great job, you've evolved from posting unsubstantiated drivel that you can never support to conspiracy theories

But hey, that's one more reason why it's smart for Floyd to not finish the fight sooner. I'm still waiting for reasons for why he should be more aggressive. That's another mark in the benefits for the fight going longer category, but the be more aggressive category continues to sit there empty.

 

[LSCII]

It's hilarious how you don't understand the difference between having a punchers chance and Floyd completely controlling the fight.

The punchers chance is still there. Perhaps you don't know what a punchers chance actually means.

The fact you post this arrogant, condescending message while only making yourself look further stupid because you can't comprehend the point is hilarious.

Perhaps you can tell us more about how Floyd should have chosen a different career path

I will admit that constantly embarrassing you is growing boring even for me at this point though.

Oh I get it. I'm actually saying there was no punchers chance in this fight at any point. He had zero chance to lose. You and everyone else here that isn't a fanboy knows this too, even if you won't admit it. You use the "punchers chance" crap when it suits your argument, but let's be honest. McGregor had no shot to win that fight.

 

[Morozov]

Okay I'm not arguing that he 'had' to fight more aggressively. But why shouldn't he finish these fights more decisively if he can do it with little risk?

The dude didn't become a household name because of the way he fought like Tyson or Ali. He was smart at marketing, and built off the perception of always winning. He would make these huge money fights, and then play it safe and leave many with a bad taste in their mouth. Casual fans would hear the hype and pay for a fight and not understand it and then be disappointed.

There were probably many times where he had to fight like this, and I respect it. But if he wants to call himself GOAT there were times he could have had much flashier finishes and raised his clout even more, but he didn't.

And this really isn't in relation to the Conor fight, because he was smart to let it go longer, he brought a show, and that's been the biggest criticism through his whole career.

Perhaps, since LSCII is completely incapable of answering the question, you can then explain why it would be beneficial for Floyd to be more aggressive? because it's easy to argue why he should do what he usually does, and there's an unparalleled career of success in terms of record and money to support it, but we aren't getting the benefits for him to be more aggressive?

You've said he could have had flashier finishes. For what? does being flashy determine how good you are now? Additional risk in the name of flash? that's not smart. Floyd is smart.

 

[LSCII]

Great job, you've evolved from posting unsubstantiated drivel that you can never support to conspiracy theories

But hey, that's one more reason why it's smart for Floyd to not finish the fight sooner. I'm still waiting for reasons for why he should be more aggressive. That's another mark in the benefits for the fight going longer category, but the be more aggressive category continues to sit there empty.

Floyd and his far superior boxing skills had the ability to end that fight whenever he wanted. All he had to do was move forward and it was going to be over. No conspiracy, just reality. He was at no risk to lose at any point in that fight.

 

[Morozov]

Oh I get it. I'm actually saying there was no punchers chance in this fight at any point. He had zero chance to lose. You and everyone else here that isn't a fanboy knows this too, even if you won't admit it. You use the "punchers chance" crap when it suits your argument, but let's be honest. McGregor had no shot to win that fight.

There's always a punchers chance in combat sports.

If he had "no shot" the books wouldn't have been giving up the odds the money they were for Floyd to win.

You say I use this when it suits my argument, but I've continued to maintain this all along.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive? what does Floyd have to gain from it?

 

[Morozov]

Floyd and his far superior boxing skills had the ability to end that fight whenever he wanted. All he had to do was move forward and it was going to be over. No conspiracy, just reality. He was at no risk to lose at any point in that fight.

What is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive then? if it's so simple, why can't you answer.

Floyd wanted to bet on himself to finish the fight in under 9.5 rounds, that reflects what Floyd thought about how long he would need. Floyd wasn't even right on this prediction so evidently putting him down took more than he anticipated. But apparently you know better about when Floyd could put him down.

Floyd has one KO in the last decade.

Floyd had one KO in his last 10 fights.

These are facts. What you say is just your usual unsupported nonsense. These are true points about Floyd's KO ability, at 40 years old, with hands that are busted. You offer absolutely nothing.

He had no Boxing footage of Conor to study and you think he would just go in and throw caution to the wind lol? you may not have a clue about this but Floyd does.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive in this situation?

 

[sansabri]

There's always a punchers chance in combat sports.

If he had "no shot" the books wouldn't have been giving up the odds the money they were for Floyd to win.

You say I use this when it suits my argument, but I've continued to maintain this all along.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive? what does Floyd have to gain from it?

Not when one is out of his element. Saying Connor had a chance against Mayweather is like saying Semenko could have beat Ali.

 

[Kitten Mittons]

Underneath it all, I'm sure he fully realizes it and accepts it. He'd never admit it in public, but that's all part of the bravado and persona he puts on to sell fights.

Makes me wonder if he ever truly believed he had the power to KO Mayweather. I think he probably did since he never actually fought professionally before.

But if that uppercut counter landed cleanly in the 1st, I wonder if Floyd would've had the first KD of his career.

 

[Morozov]

Not when one is out of his element. Saying Connor had a chance against Mayweather is like saying Semenko could have beat Ali.

Is what why books were paying as much as 1.27 pre fight, because they want to give money away on something that has no chance of happening?

His chance was small, but he had a punchers chance all the same.

And your comparison isn't even close to being similar and you know it.

 

[LSCII]

There's always a punchers chance in combat sports.

If he had "no shot" the books wouldn't have been giving up the odds the money they were for Floyd to win.

You say I use this when it suits my argument, but I've continued to maintain this all along.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive? what does Floyd have to gain from it?

I work with a guy that's active in MMA on the local scene here in Boston, and he knows a lot of people in the sport. He was running around work telling people and trying to get them to lay money on McGregor. He was real convincing and felt very strongly that McGregor not only had a punchers chance, but that he'd win by KO early. One of the guys he convinced to put money on the fight asked me what I thought and if McG had a "punchers chance" of actually winning, and I told him there was no chance of McGregor winning this fight. He had no punchers chance and the majority of people selling that nonsense had a vested interest in getting more people to buy the stupid PPV.

You can delude yourself and pretend this wasn't going to go exactly the way it went if you want. I choose to not waste my time. This was a cash grab freak show type of event where only one guy had any chance of actually winning, and it wasn't Conor.

 

[LSCII]

Not when one is out of his element. Saying Connor had a chance against Mayweather is like saying Semenko could have beat Ali.

Yep.

 

[LSCII]

Is what why books were paying as much as 1.27 pre fight, because they want to give money away on something that has no chance of happening?

His chance was small, but he had a punchers chance all the same.

And your comparison isn't even close to being similar and you know it.

Do you not know how sports books actually work? Because that's the only reason you'd ever use that line as proof of your incredibly misguided point.

 

[sansabri]

Is what why books were paying as much as 1.27 pre fight, because they want to give money away on something that has no chance of happening?

His chance was small, but he had a punchers chance all the same.

And your comparison isn't even close to being similar and you know it.

Because bookmakers are dumb that somehow means something... ?

Comparison is fine. MMA is a completely different sport still in its infancy. Proof is in a man like Brock Lesnar who can go in and become champion. You'll never see someone from another sport get into boxing and do that.

 

[LSCII]

Makes me wonder if he ever truly believed he had the power to KO Mayweather. I think he probably did since he never actually fought professionally before.

But if that uppercut counter landed cleanly in the 1st, I wonder if Floyd would've had the first KD of his career.

Judah put him down in their fight, even if the ref botched the call and claimed it wasn't. Mayweather's gloves hit the canvas along with his leg.

 

[Kitten Mittons]

Judah put him down in their fight, even if the ref botched the call and claimed it wasn't. Mayweather's gloves hit the canvas along with his leg.

I know. I meant his first official KD.

 

[Morozov]

I work with a guy that's active in MMA on the local scene here in Boston, and he knows a lot of people in the sport. He was running around work telling people and trying to get them to lay money on McGregor. He was real convincing and felt very strongly that McGregor not only had a punchers chance, but that he'd win by KO early. One of the guys he convinced to put money on the fight asked me what I thought and if McG had a "punchers chance" of actually winning, and I told him there was no chance of McGregor winning this fight. He had no punchers chance and the majority of people selling that nonsense had a vested interest in getting more people to buy the stupid PPV.

You can delude yourself and pretend this wasn't going to go exactly the way it went if you want. I choose to not waste my time. This was a cash grab freak show type of event where only one guy had any chance of actually winning, and it wasn't Conor.

I couldn't care less about your story about knowing someone who is involved in MMA in Boston, it means nothing.

How am I pretending it wasn't going to go exactly the way it went? it went exactly as I thought it would. It doesn't mean the punchers chance wasn't there.

Again, because you keep on ducking, and ducking, and ducking, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive?

You still can't present a beneficial reason for Floyd to be more aggressive, so whether that chance was 0.1% or 1% or 3%, you can't explain why Floyd would benefit from being more aggressive. All you can do is slag him off for, even though you can't actually give a reason why he should.

It seems pretty pathetic to consistently ridicule the guy when you can't actually even provide a single good reason why it would be beneficial for him to do otherwise.

But again, you're the guy who thinks Mayweather, 50-0 with around a billion in career earnings, should have looked at other employment options.

What is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive?

 

[Morozov]

Because bookmakers are dumb that somehow means something... ?

Comparison is fine. MMA is a completely different sport still in its infancy. Proof is in a man like Brock Lesnar who can go in and become champion. You'll never see someone from another sport get into boxing and do that.

You think Bookmakers are dumb?

You realise I'm talking about proper sportsbooks right, not some shady bookie hovering around your local bar.

Yeah, the comparison really doesn't stack up at all.

And you're right, nobody will walk into Boxing and become champion like Brock did in the UFC, but that's also underselling the fact that Brock was an elite college wrestler which is a great base for MMA and is an absolute freak athlete. You can't come into Boxing and get by on manhandling people like that, particularly not in the lower weight classes obviously.

 

[Morozov]

Do you not know how sports books actually work? Because that's the only reason you'd ever use that line as proof of your incredibly misguided point.

If they believed the odds were literally zero, they'd have no reason to pump the odds to get money on Floyd.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive. Why can't you answer this incredibly simple question? you're so passionate about the point, spouting all this venom about how Floyd is pathetic, but you're completely incapable of explaining how it would be beneficial for Floyd to be more aggressive. If it doesn't benefit him, why would he do it? so as it stands, he's pathetic because he's doing something that you can't identify a single reason why he would be better off taking a different approach.

 

[Morozov]

I've answered enough of your drivel while you continue to duck the same question over and over again. So my responses will now consist of that question and that question only until you finally actually answer it.

You won't though.

 

[LSCII]

I know. I meant his first official KD.

Roger that.

 

[LSCII]

What is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive then? if it's so simple, why can't you answer.

Floyd wanted to bet on himself to finish the fight in under 9.5 rounds, that reflects what Floyd thought about how long he would need. Floyd wasn't even right on this prediction so evidently putting him down took more than he anticipated. But apparently you know better about when Floyd could put him down.

Floyd has one KO in the last decade.

Floyd had one KO in his last 10 fights.

These are facts. What you say is just your usual unsupported nonsense. These are true points about Floyd's KO ability, at 40 years old, with hands that are busted. You offer absolutely nothing.

He had no Boxing footage of Conor to study and you think he would just go in and throw caution to the wind lol? you may not have a clue about this but Floyd does.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive in this situation?

You keep pointing to his lack of KO's over the last x amount of years without ever understanding that his style of running away and hugging was the culprit why, not his lack of skill, punching power, or boxing prowess. In fact, I'd argue he could have KO'd a lot of the guys he fought had he chosen to do so. He didn't because his choice was to run, hug, and jab. Pointing out the end result of the running, hugging, and jabbing doesn't mean he was incapable of actually knocking someone out. It just means you're incapable of understanding that.

 

[Morozov]

You keep pointing to his lack of KO's over the last x amount of years without ever understanding that his style of running away and hugging was the culprit why, not his lack of skill, punching power, or boxing prowess. In fact, I'd argue he could have KO'd a lot of the guys he fought had he chosen to do so. He didn't because his choice was to run, hug, and jab. Pointing out the end result of the running, hugging, and jabbing doesn't mean he was incapable of actually knocking someone out. It just means you're incapable of understanding that.

How does Floyd benefit from fighting more aggressively through his career?

 

[LSCII]

If they believed the odds were literally zero, they'd have no reason to pump the odds to get money on Floyd.

Again, what is the benefit for Floyd to be more aggressive. Why can't you answer this incredibly simple question? you're so passionate about the point, spouting all this venom about how Floyd is pathetic, but you're completely incapable of explaining how it would be beneficial for Floyd to be more aggressive. If it doesn't benefit him, why would he do it? so as it stands, he's pathetic because he's doing something that you can't identify a single reason why he would be better off taking a different approach.

But I have answered it before and multiple times, you just won't accept it. Floyd walks around calling himself the GOAT, and like I said before and I'll say again since you keep disregarding it, if he were really the GOAT, he'd have memorable finishes and memorable fights. He doesn't. All he has are decisions that are memorable because he ran most of the night and the vast majority of boxing fans have leveled this as a legitimate criticism against him for years.

You refuse to acknowledge that, so what else can I do? You won't admit the basic truth that literally everyone knows. He runs, he avoids actually fighting and due to that, he's not the GOAT. He's never going to be the GOAT no matter how many times he calls himself that. If he really was ALPHA, like he pretends, he would have finished more than an MMA guy turned boxer for the first time in the last ten years. He didn't. He's not. He never will be. His legacy, despite all the wins and no losses, is tarnished.

Like I said way before, he's not even going to be remembered in 10 years for anything other than making money and blowing through it all, and still owing the IRS a bunch of it.

 

[LSCII]

how does floyd benefit from fighting more aggressively through his career?

l-e-g-a-c-y.

 

[Morozov]

But I have answered it before and multiple times, you just won't accept it. Floyd walks around calling himself the GOAT, and like I said before and I'll say again since you keep disregarding it, if he were really the GOAT, he'd have memorable finishes and memorable fights. He doesn't. All he has are decisions that are memorable because he ran most of the night and the vast majority of boxing fans have leveled this as a legitimate criticism against him for years.

You refuse to acknowledge that, so what else can I do? You won't admit the basic truth that literally everyone knows. He runs, he avoids actually fighting and due to that, he's not the GOAT. He's never going to be the GOAT no matter how many times he calls himself that. If he really was ALPHA, like he pretends, he would have finished more than an MMA guy turned boxer for the first time in the last ten years. He didn't. He's not. He never will be. His legacy, despite all the wins and no losses, is tarnished.

Like I said way before, he's not even going to be remembered in 10 years for anything other than making money and blowing through it all, and still owing the IRS a bunch of it.

So you think the reason Floyd isn't the GOAT is because he wasn't more aggressive?

His IRS bill was what 25 million? how much did he make from this fight? more drivel from you.