Bingo... you are exactly right. The F does Molson care if we win he thinks the Habs making money is his success. Truth is a friggin dingo could be President and make money with the Habs.
Player Discussion Max Pacioretty -- Part 5
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NobleSix
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Max has played his last game wearing a Habs jersey.
God damn I love the sound of that.
God damn I love the sound of that.
That's what I also believe, Bergevin did refuse to trade him for futures, because he wasn't offered what he wanted.
Cause I'm sure there were nice offers.
I sure hope he realizes that his value is at its best at the draft, his value will drop afterwards...
Damn I hope he doesn't want to sign him back...
Habs Halifax
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I wish I know what actual offers were on the table and I also won't be surprised that Bergevin will try to re-sign Patch. I just don't see Patch wanting to commit his future to our team after the year and criticism he went through.... especially if we are after a team friendly deal. This will put a big road block on the Patch in Montreal for future years and I'm happy about it!
Cross your fingers we can get what we can on draft day. My target would be a top 10-15 range pick and another piece. I would would be willing to add pieces we don't need to make the deal work too.
Le Barron de HF
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It's not because some dumb GMs didn't come knocking that it means that our demands for Pacioretty are not realistic. We are going through the same BS that Leafs fans had to deal with when Kessel had that off-year and they were rebuilding (Kessel is superior but had a worse reputation for his defensive play plus softness). Difference here is that Pacioretty is signed to a fantastic deal. GMs who pay that price for Nash or Kane but wouldn't pay the same or a bit more for Pacioretty are morons.
I have nothing against Pacioretty, the man, but I don't want the player, wearing the C to boot, back with us for 7-8 years. Not with the actual state of the team. Nope. Good luck elsewhere.
As for the return, a mid 1st and a good prospect (center, preferably with skills and good WITH the puck, not another goddamn 2-way player good without the puck...) sounds about right to me.
What I fear in this case is that Bergevin waited too long to snap out of his delusions about the team he built (unless he didn't and Molson pressured him, that's another possibility), and that he'll wait too much for the 'right' offer at the draft table...
Let's hope for the best.
Habs Halifax
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Patch is not trending well so if you were the other GM, you would want to buy low as well. I think our best strategy is futures and picks are the way to go. Think about he value of our 2017 1st before and after the draft. Once we took Poehling and he showed his offensive potential as a 18 year old, we do not want to trade him at all! It's the same with others and their picks.
- 2018 1st: Must have. It would be nice to get a pick from 10-15 range but a pick from 15-20 range might work too. Having this option available as a trade on draft day is a positive IMO
- 2020 conditional: 2nd round pick if he does not re-sign. 1st if he does. Putting conditions on Patch re-signing or not is important. If he plays with a elite level center and scores 30-40 goals and 60+ points, the team will no want to lose him.
Set the price high with picks. Asking for Grade A prospects now is not a smart strategy. Teams are not going to trade them just like we will not trade Poehling for a rental. Teams will offer you grade B prospects and we already have too many of these. Our only chance to snag a elite level center or impact player is with 1st and 2nd round picks as there is no player attached to this pick yet
WeThreeKings
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I wanted to draft Pacioretty at 22 in 2007.. and was stoked when they did.
He was my favorite prospect for a long time and became one of my favorite players.
But, everything changed when he became a whiney lil bitch who just existed to get the C on his chest. At that point, his arrogance took over and his jealousy of any attention his other teammates got, really soured him as a person. The pressure of the C absolutely crushed him and he was never able to really control the room.
I'll be happy to see him go in a futures package. If it's anything else, I'll be pissed. But, he's not gonna be worth his next contract, we can't keep him here as a captain and he's checked out. It's time to move on.
Just like we should have moved on from Price before signing that gigantic extension. Price is another one, as a goalie, loved having him in the system, loved watching him become this dominant.. but the injuries are piling up, the team has become a steaming pile of hot garbage and you just can't pay a goalie that much.
He was my favorite prospect for a long time and became one of my favorite players.
But, everything changed when he became a whiney lil bitch who just existed to get the C on his chest. At that point, his arrogance took over and his jealousy of any attention his other teammates got, really soured him as a person. The pressure of the C absolutely crushed him and he was never able to really control the room.
I'll be happy to see him go in a futures package. If it's anything else, I'll be pissed. But, he's not gonna be worth his next contract, we can't keep him here as a captain and he's checked out. It's time to move on.
Just like we should have moved on from Price before signing that gigantic extension. Price is another one, as a goalie, loved having him in the system, loved watching him become this dominant.. but the injuries are piling up, the team has become a steaming pile of hot garbage and you just can't pay a goalie that much.
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C'mon guys you need to go easy on poor Pacioretty, MB, Molson, etc because I read a piece from Jack Todd posted yesterday telling the fans they need to stop and if not Jack said he might even do this. 
Should be some interesting comments about that considering what many think of Jack Todd on this site.
Should be some interesting comments about that considering what many think of Jack Todd on this site.
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While I agree that its probably in the best interest of all parties for Montreal to trade Pacioretty for a good, futures-oriented return, I suspect that a lot of these harsh, mean-spirited takes against Pacioretty will look pretty stupid in a year (especially since his declining production is very, very heavily luck-driven).
Sucks for us I doubt we get much for him now. He'll need to prove he can skate.
Chuckie took 18 months before he found his stride. Max took a full seaon to regain some speed after his previous leg issue.
Hockey Gods are not kind right now.
You are very far off base with your take on Rick Nash. He has always been a far far better player than Max. AINEC
Granted he has to be properly motivated but the guy did us in last year in the PLAYOFFS.
Max turtles when the heat gets turned up there is no denying it anymore.
It just sucks he had to be THE guy here, during the Bergevin era. He was never meant to take that big of a role, despite the numbers.
He was a freakin bargain for like 6 years. Had MB not been so incompetent and actually got established talent who could relegate Patch to a complimentary role, everything would've been fine. Looking forward to the future pieces he'll bring back.
He was a freakin bargain for like 6 years. Had MB not been so incompetent and actually got established talent who could relegate Patch to a complimentary role, everything would've been fine. Looking forward to the future pieces he'll bring back.
Time to get rid of all the PP on the team. We started with Plek.
I think Price can be good with Guys who compete so he actually could bounce back next year some...
But watching our D perform this year I thought one of them was going to take him out on our own. FFS
That being said we may have to eat a pile of Cap to move him.
Just do it.
If that was his last game in Montreal...it's unfortunate he went out that way.
It all went wrong when he was voted captain, that was beginning of the end.
It all went wrong when he was voted captain, that was beginning of the end.
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It never ceases to amaze me how uninformed some posters are. Go by players reputation from 5 yesrs earlier and projects that to today as gospel. Same guys who wanted to bring back AKosty after he went to KHL and sucked there too!
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It's actually a very good post to illustrate the kind of players who have genuine leadership. It also illustrates its not nearly as valuable as Bergevin believes.
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Way to go mb. Didn’t trade him at deadline and now he gets his first knee injury and is damaged goods.
Might struggle to get a first for him now. Mb you f***ing idiot.
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It should not be an excuse. It should be media asking why the f*** he was not traded at deadline. Fuvking mb
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