Matthews vs Draisaitl: Better player to build around

[Aladyyn]

Drai is competent in his own end. Matthews was getting killed for 4 years. And his supposed advantage in defense does not make up for the canyon sized difference in their offense.

Draisaitl isn't even close to competent defensively. He's one of the worst in the league.

 

[6ix]

Matthews is not known for his 2-way play. Stop it. He was getting killed since his first year about being lazy in his own end and off the puck.

No he wasn’t. He was a take away machine his rookie year and still is. Last year he caught some flak but it’s because of the concussion and shoulder injury. Matthews plays an excellent 2 way game, especially for a 22 year old.

Anyways that’s enough posting for me, have a good night.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Wow so Matthews has scored more goals than Draisaitl in 3/4 seasons, while Draisaitl was being spoon fed from McDavid.

Could you imagine if Matthews was being fed by McDavid...

We already saw that at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.

 

[Varan]

So why was Matthews tied for 2nd with Mark Stone in the takeaway leaders category?

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/stats...sort=7&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0

Drai is 10 on that list. Not much of an argument considering his greater exertion on offense

 

[Varan]

Draisaitl isn't even close to competent defensively. He's one of the worst in the league.

so you don't watch the oilers

the eye-test will do wonders for you

 

[LeafsNation75]

Drai is 10 on that list. Not much of an argument considering his greater exertion on offense

You claimed Matthews wasn't good defensively and I proved you to be wrong with that link showing Matthews tied for 2nd in the takeaway category.

If it was the opposite where Draisaitl was tied for 2nd and Matthews was 10th in takeaways, I'm sure your opinion would be a lot different.

 

[Aladyyn]

so you don't watch the oilers

the eye-test will do wonders for you

Ah yes, the eye test. Also known as sorting by points on NHL.com

 

[Varan]

Ah yes, the eye test. Also known as sorting by points on NHL.com

no

i mean watching either on TV or at the game

it's great, very entertaining

 

[Varan]

You claimed Matthews wasn't good defensively and I proved you to be wrong with that link showing Matthews tied for 2nd in the takeaway category.

If it was the opposite where Draisaitl was tied for 2nd and Matthews was 10th in takeaways, I'm sure your opinion would be a lot different.

but takeaways isn't the best barometer for defense. steph curry lead the league in steals in 2016 and no one is calling him a defender.

top-10 is top-10

 

[LeafsNation75]

but takeaways isn't the best barometer for defense. steph curry lead the league in steals in 2016 and no one is calling him a defender.

top-10 is top-10

There is a difference being tied for 2nd like Matthews and 10th where Draisaitl was.

On that same list Mitch Marner was 8th, so it's another Maple Leafs player who was better in that same category than Draisaitl.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

We already saw that at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.

Looks like a player being carried by McDavid.

 

[Varan]

There is a difference being tied for 2nd like Matthews and 10th where Draisaitl was.

On that same list Mitch Marner was 8th, so it's another Maple Leafs player who was better in that same category than Draisaitl.

I chalk that up to Drai exerting more energy on offense because he has to.

Idk why you brought up Marner tbh

 

[Varan]

Looks like a player being carried by McDavid.

LOL

 

[LeafsNation75]

Looks like a player being carried by McDavid.

That's something Draisaitl is use to McDavid doing for him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

a team >>> a line

Teammates are irrelevant to his production if he is not playing with them.

Whoops, 25 can be added. Point still stands. That is usually the time frame.

More accurately, the time-frame is usually around 24-26 for forwards, with not as much drop-off for players of this level, especially through their 20s. Matthews is 22. There is no reason to believe he has peaked in ability, and there is so much room for increases in opportunity.

I highly highly doubt it. Scoring 60 isn't some easy feat and he first needs to prove that he can score 50 (doesn't get the benefit of the doubt like OV). I see him more as a 55-45 player at his absolute best, and I highly doubt 100 points will win the Ross with the players in this league

He paced 55 goals and 94 points this year, in a relatively down year, before his prime, without the opportunities that most others get. Small samples, but he paced 58 goals under Keefe while averaging only about 3 minutes of PP time per game, and 63 goals with Marner on his line.

 

[Aladyyn]

no

i mean watching either on TV or at the game

it's great, very entertaining

Funny how it suddenly comes up after like 500 posts of "but he has more points"

 

[Tobias Kahun]

That's something Draisaitl is use to McDavid doing for him.

That's why Draisaitl has been part of the best line in hockey, without McDavid on his line.

Explain that.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Teammates are irrelevant to his production if he is not playing with them.

More accurately, the time-frame is usually around 24-26 for forwards, with not as much drop-off for players of this level, especially through their 20s. Matthews is 22. There is no reason to believe he has peaked in ability, and there is so much room for increases in opportunity.

He paced 55 goals and 94 points this year, in a relatively down year, before his prime, without the opportunities that most others get. Small samples, but he paced 58 goals under Keefe while averaging only about 3 minutes of PP time per game, and 63 goals with Marner on his line.

Matthews is in his prime.

Forwards are in their primes at much younger ages these days.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Teammates are irrelevant to his production if he is not playing with them.

More accurately, the time-frame is usually around 24-26 for forwards, with not as much drop-off for players of this level, especially through their 20s. Matthews is 22. There is no reason to believe he has peaked in ability, and there is so much room for increases in opportunity.

He paced 55 goals and 94 points this year, in a relatively down year, before his prime, without the opportunities that most others get. Small samples, but he paced 58 goals under Keefe while averaging only about 3 minutes of PP time per game, and 63 goals with Marner on his line.

So what you're saying is he needs marner on his line?

 

[Dekes For Days]

That's why Draisaitl has been part of the best line in hockey, without McDavid on his line.

That line had a ridiculously unsustainable OISH% and OISV% while together for their small sample.

Matthews is in his prime.

He is not.

So what you're saying is he needs marner on his line?

No, I showed how getting more normal opportunity compared to his peers can help increase raw production beyond his already elite level, before we even get into improvements in ability as he enters his prime. That pace was actually while having an injured wrist for multiple weeks too.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

That line had a ridiculously unsustainable OISH% and OISV% while together for their small sample.

He is not.

No, I showed how getting more normal opportunity compared to his peers can help increase raw production beyond his already elite level, before we even get into improvements in ability as he enters his prime. That pace was actually while having an injured wrist for multiple weeks too.

Look up elite forwards.

Their prime is early 20's.

He is in his prime.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Look up elite forwards.
Their prime is early 20's.
He is in his prime.

I have looked up elite forwards. You are wrong. He is not in his prime at 22, and there is no reason to believe he has peaked. He will still see improvement in ability and opportunity moving forward.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I have looked up elite forwards. You are wrong. He is not in his prime at 22, and there is no reason to believe he has peaked. He will still see improvement in ability and opportunity moving forward.

Do you know the difference between peak and prime?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Do you know the difference between peak and prime?

Yes.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Yes.

By the sounds of what you're saying, you dont.

Because they're two different things.